Standard Vs Glass

[BRIGADEAVIATOR]

sdfghj

Go to the school that has the better reputation and the better maintained aircraft.

I totally agree here, can't go wrong with that decision. I also think it comes down to what the students goals are. If a student wants to buy an analog gauge airplane after getting their certificate, it makes no sense to train glass. If you rent ac at another school that has only analog ac, well it wouldn't be too smart to train glass as well. Just like when VOR's were new, people were reluctant towards change.

 

[svcta]

I totally agree here, can't go wrong with that decision. I also think it comes down to what the students goals are. If a student wants to buy an analog gauge airplane after getting their certificate, it makes no sense to train glass. If you rent ac at another school that has only analog ac, well it wouldn't be too smart to train glass as well. Just like when VOR's were new, people were reluctant towards change.

If the student's goals are to learn to be an airman then he/she needs to learn how to get by without all that "gee-whiz" sh!t. This is not reluctance to change, I love technology, but not being able to get lost as a student is not good for training. All of this "glass" stuff is designed to prevent navigational uncertainty and imperfections in instrumentation and interfacing with a human. But that's precisely where students begin to learn what limitations are all about. Not really knowing where you are for a second, wondering if a gauge is off a little or broken all together and having to cross check it, the list goes on and on.

Think about how you would have felt if during your training you would never have had that sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach. Those are the moments that scared you "straight". All of these guys and gals falling from the sky in their new, fancy airplanes have all been in over their heads as far as I can see. Honestly, it hasn't been a bunch of 1976 C-172s crashing lately, has it?

 

[BRIGADEAVIATOR]

asdfgh

From the beginning we set the gps on the ground direct for the home airport. That way the airplane becomes a "kite" with a imaginary string attatched to the airport. So if the student may become uncertain as to where they are simply direct enter enter and follow the pink line to the airport.

 

[svcta]

From the beginning we set the gps on the ground direct for the home airport. That way the airplane becomes a "kite" with a imaginary string attatched to the airport. So if the student may become uncertain as to where they are simply direct enter enter and follow the pink line to the airport.

Thanks for making my point. Have you ever let a student get so lost that they had to land and ask for phone book or local paper to get a city name?

I don't think you grasp the point I'm trying to make.

 

[BRIGADEAVIATOR]

sdfa

Nope but i was at corona KAJO earlier in the year and this 152 pulled up and asked where he was; apparently he was supposed to go to Hemet airport. (his instructor was pissed when he was flown up in an archer from San Diego area to fly back with him).

 

[svcta]

Does anyone want to field this one? I have a feeling that I'm not going to be able to explain it to him.

 

[Caveman]

If you've never done a low level flyby a water tower to find out what town you're near you haven't learned about flying. I got lost on my Private checkride! I almost flew into Mexican airspace. The DPE was a kind man and just discontinued the ride. I went back a couple of weeks later and 'finished' up.

Back to the point. I've never been lost in a glass airplane. I also don't pay as much attention to where I am either. The glass let's you relax which is a good thing. The fact I don't pay as much attention to where I'm at is a bad thing.

Learn on steam guages and graduate to glass as your flying progresses.

 

[unreal]

From the beginning we set the gps on the ground direct for the home airport. That way the airplane becomes a "kite" with a imaginary string attatched to the airport. So if the student may become uncertain as to where they are simply direct enter enter and follow the pink line to the airport.

That really doesn't do them any bit of good, though. I had a student a couple months ago get lost about 6 miles from the airport. Hey, don't laugh. Northern AZ is pretty sparse in places and the mountains can all look alike if you're not used to it.

Well, I did what any good instructor would do and simply said "get your map out!" We flew around aimlessly for about 30 minutes before he finally got his bearings. When we got back to the airport, we had a good discussion about the landmarks in the local area and how to identify the airport from a distance. He got horribly lost, and it both freaked him out and pissed him off. But by god, he didn't do it again. The next time we went up, he made it his own personal mission to keep track of where we were and how to get back. While he was angry at himself for getting lost that first time, it also instilled the confidence in him that "Hey, I really can get un-lost if I try." That confidence is priceless, in my opinion.

 

[GotBoost?]

Will the glass cockpit land the plane in winds 20G30? Or help the student with slow flight and stalls?
So the student at Corona in the 152 is wrong for admitting defeat and getting himself on the ground? Granted, he blew his XC, but he learned a valuable lesson that day about pilotage and ded reckoning. Betweent the humiliation and floggings, he's highly unlikely to lose SA ever again. Someone using "Direct To" as his get out of jail free card will never get the opportunity to screw up and learn from his mistakes. The approach that unreal and his student took is far more becoming of good teaching, learning and application of ADM.

 

[svcta]

Thank god.I thought I was losing it there for a little while.