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ThreeGreens
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Impressive website !!!!
Sincerely, if you base your opinion on an airline with these statistics, you might lose a good oportunity.
Cardenal,
Payscale with new contract
FO CAPT
Year
1 38.79 64.65
2 48.98 84.44
5 57.53 100.93
10 62.35 120.48
Going up gradually until 2006 where it will be :
FO CAPT
Year
1 40.00 64.65
2 51.96 96.94
5 64.70 115.51
10 71.37 137.88
72 hours guaranteed.
401K 8% match.
It's not the best out there, but the working conditions are pretty good. Normally 2 legs a day. 12/13 days off on a reserve line. Straight line at an average of 15 days (peak at 17 days off).
Normally overtime available for those who want to make extra money. (paid 1.5 time).
Being a privately held company, nothing is really told to the public as to what will happen in the near future. Lots of rumors going around about new equipment, but nothing yet. New MD83s coming to replace 81s,82s.
Overall a good place to work if you don't attach too much importance at the corporate culture like jetBlue or Southwest.
I hope it helps.
Sincerely, if you base your opinion on an airline with these statistics, you might lose a good oportunity.
Cardenal,
Payscale with new contract
FO CAPT
Year
1 38.79 64.65
2 48.98 84.44
5 57.53 100.93
10 62.35 120.48
Going up gradually until 2006 where it will be :
FO CAPT
Year
1 40.00 64.65
2 51.96 96.94
5 64.70 115.51
10 71.37 137.88
72 hours guaranteed.
401K 8% match.
It's not the best out there, but the working conditions are pretty good. Normally 2 legs a day. 12/13 days off on a reserve line. Straight line at an average of 15 days (peak at 17 days off).
Normally overtime available for those who want to make extra money. (paid 1.5 time).
Being a privately held company, nothing is really told to the public as to what will happen in the near future. Lots of rumors going around about new equipment, but nothing yet. New MD83s coming to replace 81s,82s.
Overall a good place to work if you don't attach too much importance at the corporate culture like jetBlue or Southwest.
I hope it helps.
enigma
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First, I must say that Spirit is nowhere near as bad a company as dasmith suggest.
threegreen has already posted the pay scales, and I will add that it is my opinion that we are around 25% underpayed. However, we renegotiated at an extremely poor time for pilots and still managed to break even. We got a raise of about 20%, and gave up about 20% in work rules. All in all, not good but certainly not third world.
On the quality of life front, we don't have the flying club we had in the late nineties, but we have better schedules than most regionals.
The corporate culture is not good. Our executives all seem to have attended the Frank Lorenzo school of employee relations and try to beat us into submission. With that said, if you do your job at Spirit they pretty much leave you alone, but we have to fight for things that we shouldn't have to; things like getting paid the correct amount. Sometimes the paycheck doesn't match your paysheet, and it is almost never in the pilots favor. (imagine that)
Back to corporate culture, we still have somewhat of a charter mentality at HQ. The owners are quite conservative in their expansion, meaning that they won't expand until they can do so using someone elses money. I wish that we could take advantage of our LCC status and expand, but the owner appears to fear over expansion more than missing out on larger market/profit share.
The present reality is a question mark. We have recently returned all furlougees, and announced that we would hire a class or two in the near future. However, we still don't have an announced deal for new equipment, and the -80's are getting expensive to fuel and maintain. The CP is returning to the line after 3 years and his replacement has not been announced. The current DO was never a Spirit pilot and has no "family ties", we hope that the next CP will come from within.
future prospects depend upon the whim of a multimillionaire owner who isn't trying to build an airline (my opinion, worth absolutely nothing), he is trying to protect his investment.
Now for my two cents, if a pilot had the luxury of multiple job offers from AirTran, ATA, Frontier, JetBlue, Spirit and SWA, any of the others offer fewer unknowns and Spirit would logically be the last choice. However, if Spirit offers a job, I certainly wouldn't suggest turning us down. The pilots here are generally great people.
Contrary to dasmiths comments on training, I have found the Spirit Training staff to be first rate. We use line pilots, not non-flying wannabees for instructors and most of them have been doing the job for decades. We don't offer an excess of sim time during training, but it seems to be adequate for most. The DC9 type was my fourth, and the training Spirit provided for it was no worse than two of the previous three, which included, Simuflight (Lear), CrewPilotTraining (737), and much better than my company provided BAe3100 rating when I worked for a commuter.
Characterizing Spirit training as a one out of five is just plain incorrect.
I have previously posted negative comments about Spirit, which I generally stand behind, but I have to recognize that Spirit is not nearly as bad as it could be.
regards,
enigma
threegreen has already posted the pay scales, and I will add that it is my opinion that we are around 25% underpayed. However, we renegotiated at an extremely poor time for pilots and still managed to break even. We got a raise of about 20%, and gave up about 20% in work rules. All in all, not good but certainly not third world.
On the quality of life front, we don't have the flying club we had in the late nineties, but we have better schedules than most regionals.
The corporate culture is not good. Our executives all seem to have attended the Frank Lorenzo school of employee relations and try to beat us into submission. With that said, if you do your job at Spirit they pretty much leave you alone, but we have to fight for things that we shouldn't have to; things like getting paid the correct amount. Sometimes the paycheck doesn't match your paysheet, and it is almost never in the pilots favor. (imagine that)
Back to corporate culture, we still have somewhat of a charter mentality at HQ. The owners are quite conservative in their expansion, meaning that they won't expand until they can do so using someone elses money. I wish that we could take advantage of our LCC status and expand, but the owner appears to fear over expansion more than missing out on larger market/profit share.
The present reality is a question mark. We have recently returned all furlougees, and announced that we would hire a class or two in the near future. However, we still don't have an announced deal for new equipment, and the -80's are getting expensive to fuel and maintain. The CP is returning to the line after 3 years and his replacement has not been announced. The current DO was never a Spirit pilot and has no "family ties", we hope that the next CP will come from within.
future prospects depend upon the whim of a multimillionaire owner who isn't trying to build an airline (my opinion, worth absolutely nothing), he is trying to protect his investment.
Now for my two cents, if a pilot had the luxury of multiple job offers from AirTran, ATA, Frontier, JetBlue, Spirit and SWA, any of the others offer fewer unknowns and Spirit would logically be the last choice. However, if Spirit offers a job, I certainly wouldn't suggest turning us down. The pilots here are generally great people.
Contrary to dasmiths comments on training, I have found the Spirit Training staff to be first rate. We use line pilots, not non-flying wannabees for instructors and most of them have been doing the job for decades. We don't offer an excess of sim time during training, but it seems to be adequate for most. The DC9 type was my fourth, and the training Spirit provided for it was no worse than two of the previous three, which included, Simuflight (Lear), CrewPilotTraining (737), and much better than my company provided BAe3100 rating when I worked for a commuter.
Characterizing Spirit training as a one out of five is just plain incorrect.
I have previously posted negative comments about Spirit, which I generally stand behind, but I have to recognize that Spirit is not nearly as bad as it could be.
regards,
enigma
Been at Spirit for a little over 3 years. By far the easisest and fun job I've ever had. The pay is a little on the low side but I enjoy days off on the water not in an airplane. Great guys to fly with training easy from pilot standpoint and always fun on the road With the Flight attendants. Mentallity around the company is possible growth when economy rebounds. If you live around Michigan and no commute It would be my first choice for domestic flying. weekends off and short legs.Overall great quality of life. WORD
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enigma
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atpcliff said:
Cliff,
Rumors are always fun, and usually wrong. I don't know anymore than you do about the airplanes; but it is my suspicion that your numbers are inflated by about two. Dr. Schorr, the owner, is on the public record as being an advocate of slow growth. He has also made public his desire to grow to a fifty airplane airline. We continue to receive used/pre-owned MD80s, and some union leaders state that we have a deal signed that will bring in five Airbi. Two A321's and three A320's. I won't believe it until I see them sitting at the jetway boarding people.
As far as hiring goes, they have already sent out interview invitations for one class. I suspect that we will hire no more than twenty five this year. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but our history is to experience significant seasonal swings in flying, and I imagine that we will most likely deal with the increase by coercing pilots to fly OT instead of overzealous hiring. I certainly hope that your rumor of fifty is correct, I just don't see how it could be possible. For one thing, we don't have the training staff or capability to run that many people and concurrently conduct recurrent training.
There has been significant talk about service to Cancun, but that has apparantly slipped to the back burner as our lawyers attempt to gain useful slots at Washington National. In the mean time, we have no need for dramatically increased hiring.
Things could have changed this morning, and I might be all wrong, but with Spirit, don't count on it until you see it on the ramp full of revenue pax.
regards,
enigma
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Re: ACK!!!!
DA, I should have read your post a little better. The website reference went right over my head. Sorry if I was too harsh.
I must say that the part about M/X employees leaving in droves when the economy picks up is total BS. Spirit pilots are payed around 30% less than the other LCC pilots, but our maintenance is payed on par with the mainline majors. When NWA m/x started hiring away all our good techs about three years ago, management decided to up their pay. I personally know quite a few of our inspectors and they make as much as our Captains. These guys wouldn't leave if you shot at em.
regards,
enigma
dasmith said:
DA, I should have read your post a little better. The website reference went right over my head. Sorry if I was too harsh.
I must say that the part about M/X employees leaving in droves when the economy picks up is total BS. Spirit pilots are payed around 30% less than the other LCC pilots, but our maintenance is payed on par with the mainline majors. When NWA m/x started hiring away all our good techs about three years ago, management decided to up their pay. I personally know quite a few of our inspectors and they make as much as our Captains. These guys wouldn't leave if you shot at em.
regards,
enigma
Spirit has just recently closed Atlantic City as a base. That leaves Detroit and Ft. Lauderdale as the only two bases. Rumors last year stated the company was interested in closing DTW some day and having only FLL as a base. I dont personally see that happening(hopefully ever). Training is done in FLL and uses sims at Pan am. Training is easy and intense lots of self study but every one normally passes. Also, with adding a few new destinations the company is starting slow growth once again. Always rumors of being bought out by the big boys like Delta, or Virgin Atlantic. I dont really care as long as I'm flying. Lifes good here and getting better every day. No one ever really talks about needing to concede seniority numbers when hired on while on furlough from other companys. Personal contacts are highly important in the company when applying ... It gets your resume thats already on file to the top of a very large stack ... GOOD LUCK
NK:
Applicants are given a written test and a stack of paperwork to complete upon arrival. Three seperate interviews are then given which last about 20-30 min each. Most of the other applicants were furloughed major. No seniority resignation. Mgmt forecasts conservative growth ahead. Airbus a distinct possibility in the not too distant future. The atmosphere is upbeat. Employees seem happy. Dasmith is WAY off the mark. Looks like a really good place to be!
Applicants are given a written test and a stack of paperwork to complete upon arrival. Three seperate interviews are then given which last about 20-30 min each. Most of the other applicants were furloughed major. No seniority resignation. Mgmt forecasts conservative growth ahead. Airbus a distinct possibility in the not too distant future. The atmosphere is upbeat. Employees seem happy. Dasmith is WAY off the mark. Looks like a really good place to be!
enigma
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goflyme,
One class starting later this month, on the 29th if I heard correctly. One more planned for later this year. I don't know if the second class has been filled yet.
The Sept class, to my understanding, was filled with furloughees from other airlines who had a plethora of either MD80 time, or other mainline aircraft time.
good luck,
enigma
One class starting later this month, on the 29th if I heard correctly. One more planned for later this year. I don't know if the second class has been filled yet.
The Sept class, to my understanding, was filled with furloughees from other airlines who had a plethora of either MD80 time, or other mainline aircraft time.
good luck,
enigma
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