Spirit #) day cooling off period ...

[boomlrd]

wise man boomlrd! Could you be the next candidate??

Thanks for the kind words, but I understand the level of committment needed in order to take a position on the MEC. I could not possibly give all the effort it would take to run for a position with the MEC. Maybe when my extra-curricular activities settle down in the future I could commit to the cause, but for now, they will just get my full support.

 

[LITCHAT7]

but I understand the level of committment needed in order to take a position on the MEC.

Thankfully somebody does. Others just seem to piss and moan.

 

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Thankfully somebody does. Others just seem to piss and moan.

the MEC not only knew what it was getting into, lots of the trouble is self inflicted.

If they were doing anything they would be getting more support. Like it or not the MEC positioned itself as men who would get things done. They went after managers trying to get them fired. didn't happen. They went after BBB, hasn't happened. They went after a release, hasn't happened. They don't communicate or offer too little too late. They run an ineffective organization and are counting on anti company anger for unity.

Busting on members for failing to bow down to their majesty won't cut it. We support the union. We have a right to disagree with the way they conduct our work.

 

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When is jetblue hiring?? (

1 2 3)

 

[bottomfeeder]

3 F-ing weeks. Un-F-in-believable...

 

[boomlrd]

This decision to release us into the cooling off period must be really important to the NMB due to 3 weeks of deliberation, this is unbelievable!

 

[enigma]

This decision to release us into the cooling off period must be really important to the NMB due to 3 weeks of deliberation, this is unbelievable!

The time frame is unbelievable only to those who failed to think on their own. First, and I know that I repeat myself, the RLA is not intended to be a vehicle for contract negotiation. The RLA and the NMB it created, are intended to prevent disruptions in transportation.
Second, we do NOT operate in a vacuum. The NMB must consider the overall effect on the industry before they release the Spirit group or Spirit itself.
Third, the NMB is a political organization. They are first restricted by the intent of the RLA and secondly they are controlled by politics. When one combines those two considerations, one sees that paralysis is just one step away.

Like it or not, Wall Street controls both political parties. Obama received more money from Wall Street than did McCain. Oaktree and Indigo are both financial (read Wall Street) institutions. Neither side want's to damage donors. The NMB will make a decision once both sides find political cover for the result.

and all of that is another good reason for not counting on the NMB when you plan a negotiation strategy.

 

[Mike man]

anything less than 100% retro pay = NO VOTE for me

 

[ultrarunner]

I'd have to agree...why on earth bargain away something that is rightfully yours, AND that you haven't even gotten yet!

But it's past bargaining at this point, since you're simply awaiting the proffer, so that you can refuse it, and begin your 30-day countdown to self-help.

And just in time for the summer travel season....

NICE!

 

[boomlrd]

anything less than 100% retro pay = NO VOTE for me

I agree 100%!!

 

[ultrarunner]

The RLA and the NMB it created, are intended to prevent disruptions in transportation.

There would hardly be a disruption in air-service. We're talking a carrier with, what, 30 airframes at the most?

$hit, a major has more than that at any given time sitting standby and in maintenance!

 

[Redmeat]

There would hardly be a disruption in air-service. We're talking a carrier with, what, 30 airframes at the most?

$hit, a major has more than that at any given time sitting standby and in maintenance!

I didn't want to comment on enigma's post but since you did, I will. Disruption in air transportation has little to do with whatever the delay is.

The size and route structure of the airline wouldn't cause a hiccup in air travel. Whatever the foot dragging is, that's not it...

 

[Mike man]

Maybe the NMB has a vacation at Club Meade coming up and they don't want to miss the flight to ZSA...

or maybe with the deafening silence from the MEC, they are coming to some type of deal behind the scenes

 

[critterair2]

wont be with the neg. committee. They are on the flow sheet flying. So I would ASSUME they are not in "secret talks."

 

[Mike man]

...the flow sheet...

CONTRABAND

But maybe, just maybe they are negotiating with the double secret negotiating committee.

 

[enigma]

I didn't want to comment on enigma's post but since you did, I will. Disruption in air transportation has little to do with whatever the delay is.

The size and route structure of the airline wouldn't cause a hiccup in air travel. Whatever the foot dragging is, that's not it...

I agree, there is something else going on; and that is the reason I don't believe using the NMB is a viable negotiation strategy.... to many variables outside our control.

We don't operate in a vacuum. Our receiving a release could be used by other carriers as a precedent and they could demand a release based upon it. Spirit is obviously a small percentage of the US air transportation business, but the implications of us getting a release go far beyond our size. The NMB is a politically appointed board and it will make political decisions.

I am not advocating against a release, in fact I believe that getting a release is our only choice considering the place we find ourselves.

This is purely speculation, but it is possible that the board is delaying our decision because the administration wants to see where all of the reported mergers are going. Any number of seemingly non related issues could be affecting our release.

Unfortunately, we are at their mercy.

edit for additional content. We may only be thirty airplanes, but when you have a ticket on one of those thirty, it is a 100% negative event for that airplane to sit. For instance, it would be reasonable to speculate that some south FL US representative could be blocking our release because we fly his/her parents from DCA to FLL every month. I once worked for an essential air service carrier in the West, and we routinely flew an empty airplane to one destination and only flew one pax on many other occasions. That pax happened to be the US Senator going home to see his parents every couple of weeks or so. If his parents had lived somewhere else, that town would have lost service immediately. The moral to the story is this: you never know what other forces are at work in this business.

 

[enigma]

CONTRABAND

But maybe, just maybe they are negotiating with the double secret negotiating committee.

The MEC officers could easily be involved in negotiations. The Vice Chair is an experience negotiator and the SecTreasurer is an experience status rep. They have been through this before and could reasonably be expected to successfully function there again.

 

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Spirit people should go to the Spirit beotch board. They got a sweet "why we didn't get a release" top ten list posted.

 

[Mike man]

Spirit people should go to the Spirit beotch board. They got a sweet "why we didn't get a release" top ten list posted.

you've got to copy and paste for those who can't/won't/refuse to get access

 

[bottomfeeder]

BYM and boomlrd. Please shut up. You are undermining the MEC.

I am in contact with a P2P volunteer and am being assured that the Union has NO information. My contact spoke to the P2P chair specifically about this rumor and P2P assures him that (again) they have NO data. Period.

The MEC, Negotiators, SPC and P2P are waiting, patiently waiting,

Why would you be posting information intended to undermine the official word coming from the union. I'm not one of the MEC's favorite people, but I will certainly defend them on this one.
We all want to know, but now is not the time to be posting unsubstantiated rumors that run counter to the official position.

enigma

Speaking of the spirit pilot board, who do you think actually pays for that site?