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mattpilot said:
Just curious, where did you guys (the ones taking the cheap route) get your degrees? Or if you don't have one, how do you plan on obtaining them? You do need a 4 year degree for the majors, dont' forget that ;)

Did the normal four year thing, flew on the weekends for PVT. INST., Did 12 months at a 141 2 year school to finish up comm. multi, CFI,II,MEI, and picked up a job with them as a CFI when done. Even got a second degree out of them(aviation management, Whoop de doo!!! :D )

Granted it was 12 years ago, but I only paid 103 an hour for a 55 Baron!!! I think they still only charge about 170 or so for the 55.
 
Did you mean a 1960 PA 23? If memory serves, I think 54 was the first year for the Apache.


Anyhow, $250? Man I sold my 58 model to the wrong shmoe!!!! I only got 42k out of it (Bought it for 23k and flew it for 3 years)....I should have found a Spartan student.....Probably could have gotten 70 or 80K for that puppy!!

I dont even know what year they made the apache, just posted some big #'s and hit the price right but wrong plane :)

actually, we fly seminoles - thats a PA44. But you got the price right

Why would you pay 250$ an hour for a PA44????????
 
KeroseneSnorter said:
Granted it was 12 years ago, but I only paid 103 an hour for a 55 Baron!!! I think they still only charge about 170 or so for the 55.

Student here at spartan bought a B55 this week. His instructor (employed by spartan) will give instruction in it for, i believe, around $170 /hr on this own time. Sure beats the spartan option and you get a high performance endorsement too :D
 
Flyin Tony said:
Why would you pay 250$ an hour for a PA44????????

I wouldn't. See above post.

You don't need the MER for the degree, so very few people are doing their MER with sparten.
 
Flyin Tony said:
I dont even know what year they made the apache, just posted some big #'s and hit the price right but wrong plane :)

Ahhh, I see how you are!!!!:D

Whats that on the stand? I have a YZ 426 on the stand in the garage.
 
05 RM250 :D:D flying out to a race tomorrow in Havasu, Nothing like having your brother take your bikes to the race and you flying out there and then flying home. Sometimes it takes them 2 days to get home and im in the spa at my house in 4 hours
 
Flyin Tony said:
05 RM250 :D:D flying out to a race tomorrow in Havasu, Nothing like having your brother take your bikes to the race and you flying out there and then flying home. Sometimes it takes them 2 days to get home and im in the spa at my house in 4 hours

Nice, My mid thirties knees make too much noise for racing anymore, but I still like to play in the dirt, though these days I can normally be found on the trails. Every now and then I will hit a MX track, but it's like getting older and drinking too much.......the hangovers get worse as you age......my knees let me know about every double the next day!!!!:D
 
Most Spartan grads that I work with(there are many) have to take classes from Riddle online because they want a bachelors degree and graduate with an associates degree. Also are deferring payments on around $50,000 in student loans.

I went to a liberal arts college that had a flight school. Bachelors degree in Science and Technology and taught flying there. You're probably right about getting a degree in something else.
 
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people its really not that bad if you know what you are gettin into. no promises of multi turbine time and no guaranteed interview.
 
It may be Chinese now, but at different times in the past it has been a neat place to learn to fly. Pricey? Sorta, but I went there about 15 years ago and I learned how to read lessons BEFORE flying. I learned to work in Tulsa as a bartender(which was great with the gals from town and the flight instructors). Tulsa is a pretty fun place once you find what you want. I'm from San Diego, have lived in Hawaii and still love Tulsa. I still keep in touch with my flight instructor. And yes, I even have been employed as a pilot(part 135) with the ratings I obtained there. Since, I have picked up a cfi and float and a few other ratings, and everybody I fly with comments that I must of had pretty good training by the way I fly. The instructor is why, not the school per say, but what Spartan does have to offer is you are there to learn to fly. Some people don't have the decipline to force themselves to be the flight student everyday. It ends up not being that much different in price if you do the once a month flight student gig. Plus, you have Nan Gaylord there. Although she isn't "with" Spartan, she is the most awsome examiner I have had the pleasure to fly with. It is hard to get it out of her, but part of her past is in the Smithsonian. I'm all about getting the best deal for your buck, and for every person it will work out different. Do some homework and don't forget, learning to fly isn't cheap, but it better be fun!!!!!!!!! otherwise learn to skateboard.
 
mattpilot said:
First of all.. don't believe anything the rep tells you. They will lie about anything to get your money.

Yes, it is extremely expensive. $130 for a 152, $150 for a 172 and $170 for a 172RG.!

CRIPES, for that price those things better be turbine conversions!

mattpilot said:
As for management - they dont' give a flying fook about their employees or their students. Only about money. And you hear that from both the instructors and the students.

Get used to that, if you do find one of the extremely rare places in aviation where management does actually care at least as much about the employees as money, don't ever leave!
P.S. let me know so I can apply there too.
 
Graduate

I am a graduate of Spartan & a former flight/ground instructor & check airman.

Flying is expensive. Everything in aviation is expensive and with the economy, price of gas, etc., it is only going to get worse. If you think the prices here are bad, go over to Britian or Europe, you would turn right around and fly back, it's ridiculous.

Spartan is a pilot factory, always has been, always will be. I came to Spartan in the mid-90's with my private. I got all my ratings at Spartan except my ATP. I had an excellant instructor that pushed me through the program. I graduated with a 2 year degree from Sparan and a 4 year degree from Phillips.

After a year hiates, I returned to flight instruct and teach 2 ground classes. I initially had 14 students and was sick of "primary" students after 6 months, so I started taking instrument, commercial, CFI, CFII and the all mighty MER students. I thoroughly enjoyed making $18K a year doing what I loved to do. I loved flying so much that I took a paycut to go fly 75,000 pound airplanes at the regionals for about $17,000 a year. After a year of starving, I now make $80k a year flying business jets.

Spartan, although considered by some as the Mickey Mouse world of flying, will provide you with a good foundation to start your career. The aviation industry is much tighter than it was 5 years ago. Major airlines are not hiring, regional airlines are thriving thanks to the suffering majors and corporate aviation is more competitive today than in years past.

If you want a career in aviation, Spartan is a good start and the Chief Pilot is a down to earth person and a friend of mine. Embry, North Dakota and all the other mom and pop flight schools all have pro's and con's too, it is just how your personally approach your training.

Remember, you attitude now directly affects your attitude at FL 410.

Good luck, it's not too late to sign up at Truck Masters. :)
 
mattpilot said:
Just curious, where did you guys (the ones taking the cheap route) get your degrees? Or if you don't have one, how do you plan on obtaining them? You do need a 4 year degree for the majors, dont' forget that ;)

I'm at Colorado Northwestern Community College. It's wicked! 4-5 flights a week. Class G airspace so your flight time is actually flight time (not just taxi lesssons). We're in the mountains (which has been an awesome experience). Weare close to GJT, SLC, DEN, COS. (relativley). The instructors are great. We get 172P/N's for $83 (wet) plus $20 for dual. It's a 141 outfit. And it's owned by the state so their goal is to break even, not turn a profit. You can transfer to Denver Metro if you want a 4-year in aviation or Mesa State if you want any other 4 year. It is a lot of work. I'm in 21 credits now, but everyone is so great. It's worth while. The only downside I think is not being able to network with people handing out jobs. Look up 4V0 on the Denver sectional (or the 9 LO) and you'll understand.


Jack
 
Chief Pilot is a down to earth person and a friend of mine.

I hope you're talking about Terry, cause dena was a ***** ;)



Class G airspace so your flight time is actually flight time (not just taxi lesssons).

Sounds pretty good where you train at. However, class G doesn't mean your off the ground faster. It never takes me more than .1 from engine start to wheels up.

How comfortable are you flying around busy airspace? Any hesitations approaching an airport that is one of the top 50'th busiest in the nation?

One of the nice things of spartan is that its at RVS. It is the 40th busiest airport in the USA. You will get real comfortable flying in busy airspace at this school.
 
I'm getting a degree in maintenance from San Jose State University... it's about 1,500 a semester and the school does no flying but there are several airports in the area with your choice of clubs and flight schools.

Rent is outrageous however.
 
Yeah, busy airports are somewhat intimidating, but no hesitations. I can still function and do my job. Grand Junction can get fairly busy. I shared the pattern with two KC-135s a couple of months ago. But you are right, it would be nice to fly out of at least a towered airport, but hey, can't beat the price (especially with a family at home).

Jack


mattpilot said:
I hope you're talking about Terry, cause dena was a ***** ;)





Sounds pretty good where you train at. However, class G doesn't mean your off the ground faster. It never takes me more than .1 from engine start to wheels up.

How comfortable are you flying around busy airspace? Any hesitations approaching an airport that is one of the top 50'th busiest in the nation?

One of the nice things of spartan is that its at RVS. It is the 40th busiest airport in the USA. You will get real comfortable flying in busy airspace at this school.
 
gkrangers said:
As far as flight costs go...Riddle can actually be cheaper. Just thought I would throw that in ;)

ha ;)

but they won't let you fly unless you take their $~800 credit hour ground classes :D
 
This thred is cool, I almost feel like I am at a Spartan sasuage fest! Are the 737's in yet or are they still on back order. Haveing being a student and instructor at Spartan I can say that your experiance their just like anywhere else is just what you make of it. I went into Spartan with my PVT fresh out of high school in 2000, having my PVT already made all the differece for me. A 172 then was $105 with insturtor. Of the 35 that started when I did maybee half of them made it past their PVT of that I think 2 of us made it all the way. I chose to stay at Spartan and teach while the other guy went to teach 61 in AZ, 6 months later he was flying a citation.
It takes a lot of efort to get threw Spartan and keep the cost down but it can be done, it might mean giving up a night of drinking with a bunch of queers, or not chasing all the loose Tulsa ho's, but it can be done. Teaching at Spartan sucks, if you chose to stay there get some time and get out, there are way to many 3000hr CFI's there. I love my job now, it's amazing what you can learn when your not doing stalls in the west practice area.
Choosing a school is a difficult decison, and with todays prices, I think I would go into nursing before going to flight school.
 
Come to OU. I got my private through CFII there and am now an instructor there. Extremely competitive prices, excellent maintenance and good atmosphere. We're getting an entire new fleet of Warriors a Baron and new Seminole.
 

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