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The flight attendants union is seeking a new labor contract. The carrier is scheduled to begin flying out of Phila. on May 9.

By Tom Belden

Inquirer Staff Writer


Southwest Airlines' unionized flight attendants brought a year-old campaign for a new labor contract to Philadelphia yesterday, where the discount carrier plans to start service May 9.

A group of 10 flight attendants, joined by about 30 local labor leaders and members of other unions, gathered at noon in a cold drizzle in front of City Hall, chanting slogans and holding signs that read "Has The LUV Airline Lost Its Heart?"

Southwest, which is based at Love Field in Dallas, uses LUV as its trading symbol on the New York Stock Exchange and often plays on the word luv in its advertising.

The flight attendants, members of the Transport Workers Union, contend that Southwest, after building a reputation over three decades for good relations with its mostly unionized workforce, has not offered flight attendants a raise comparable to what it has given other labor groups.

James Parker, Southwest's vice chairman and chief executive officer, has denied the union's charges, saying the company has offered a fair contract. In communications sent to the attendants, Parker has chastised the union for its using "divisive rhetoric and confrontational tactics" that he said had not helped the negotiating process.

Union leaders said the rally in Philadelphia, where Southwest has no employees yet, was one of more than 40 demonstrations in 34 cities, staged over the last year to let both would-be airline workers and potential customers know about the talks.

"Parker seems to think we're just a small group of disgruntled employees," union spokeswoman Susan Kern said. "They need to know" the union speaks for more than 7,300 members, she said.

"My biggest issue is starting pay," said Frances Woolsey, a 13-year flight attendant who lives in Wilmington and came to the rally with her 5-month-old son, George, in a stroller. "The new ones don't make anything... . Some flight attendants are eligible for food stamps."

First-year flight attendants for Southwest and most other airlines make $13,000 to $14,000 a year, union officials said.

Negotiations with the union started almost two years ago, and reached an impasse in September when the company asked for the talks to be put under the control of a mediator appointed by the National Mediation Board, the federal agency that referees airline and railroad labor disputes.

Airline contracts do not have expiration dates, but the agreements become amendable on specific dates, and both sides are required by law to continue a lengthy negotiating process.

The last meeting with the mediator was earlier this month, and no more talks were scheduled, company spokeswoman Ginger Hardage said.

Union leaders said Southwest's last offer called for raises of about 17 percent over 61/2 years, which is about half as much as other Southwest employee groups have gotten in new contracts over the last two years.

Hardage said those figures were not accurate, but declined to provide details of the company's latest offer.

"We believe our flight attendants, who are the best in the industry, have the right to see the contract themselves," she said. "We believe it's a substantial offer. It offers industry-leading pay raises" and other benefits, she said.

When it debuts here, Southwest will have just 14 flights a day from Philadelphia International Airport to six cities, with fares that sharply undercut the unrestricted prices charged by US Airways, the region's dominant carrier, and other major airlines.

Southwest will employ only 50 people or so at Philadelphia when it starts service here, but analysts expect the airline to increase its flights and add employees over the next few years.


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Nice... now I wonder why our stock is in the $hitter?
 
I didn't see and picketing on the show "Airline" on A&E? Maybe they should show that....

Bye Bye---General Lee:rolleyes:
 
The UAW is currently on strike in Detroit. I can turn on the TV and watch people walk around in a circle jerk why would A&E need to show it.
 
Well, after showing some LAX gate agents go to a "Gay" party in OAK, and then watching MDW gate agents dress up like Elvis and throw out the first pitch at a Cubs game, I thought it it would be great to show another side of Southwest that they don't want to show---employees actually upset at Southwest. Can you believe it? Some workers aren't happy??? Dam.n Sam!

Bye Bye--General Lee:rolleyes: ;)
 
Dear GL,

I had a longer reply prepared & then deleted it since your first reply was just "airline" envy & thought the longer reply wasn't needed. I can see now my previous comments are appropriate so I will post the following.

You generally post rather thoughtful & respectful posts about Delta & their current operations. All very well presented & factual. Detractors are rebutted with information that mostly only folks from the inside have & is very useful to those of us on the outside who only know part of the story. For that you provide a useful service and source of info.

Your snide comments about SWA & the current situation with the FAs I believe undermines your credibility that you so strongly defended on other threads as you provide objective info & realistic information on Delta operations. When you begin to criticize other carriers over the course of what is considered very normal behavior at ALL major carriers (it isn't within the character of SWA I agree but is not precedent setting by any means, it has happened before by mechanics, pilots & FAs) you begin to lose your credibility as an objective contributor to this forum.

I'm certainly not the moderator of GL so say what you will. But please don't rebutt those who consider your tone as being holier than though or always negative, as being without justification if what you have posted above is how you feel. I won't disagree there are troubled relations going on now at SWA among the FAs & SWA management. Pointing them out is not unfair either but doing it in a way that is comes off as "see they are no better than all of us" and recommending rubbing our nose in the public face merely so SWA can be embarrassed cheapens comments you may make in the future IMHO.

Judge for yourself the value of the show "airline". Other carriers have asked A&E to re-look at them for future shows. So far A&E have declined. Look at who's culture is the envy of the industry? Look at who's labor relations are the envy of the industry? Look who's hiring? Who hasn't furloughed anyone? Which carrier is making money, who is losing money? Will the FAs reach a settlement with the company? Yes. Will there be scars? Yes.

I take the discussions seriously & find no humor in the angst that both groups are going through just as I don't find humor in the fact you may have to take a 10-30% pay cut? Would you find it disrespectful if I make silly comparisons about that? I think not. These are my fellow co-workers & I respect what they are attemting to do, just as I respect (but may disagree respectfully) what your union's approach to the company & the problems they face.

Stick to what you do best, insight on Delta & regional operations related to their operations. If you wish to be judge & jury on other carriers expect your opinion to be less respected when it covers subjects you do have some expertise in.
 
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Well, after showing some LAX gate agents go to a "Gay" party in OAK, and then watching MDW gate agents dress up like Elvis and throw out the first pitch at a Cubs game, I thought it it would be great to show another side of Southwest that they don't want to show---employees actually upset at Southwest. Can you believe it? Some workers aren't happy??? Dam.n Sam!



Well actually the "gay" party is really a spirit party that the company has at different times of the year at different locations, different themes and stuff to promote the company culture that we are known for, everyone in the company and their family is invited. They are a lot of fun and I hardly think that you have to be gay to attend.


Yeah we have our ten percent and anytime there is a contract issue going on there is bound to be a little tension. It just so happens that that is the case right now. When the contract issue is settled then things will more than likely go back to normal.

I guess that Delta doesn't have company parties for their employees......if they did maybe you would understand.

gee, maybe I should quit my job and go over to Delta, where the grass is so much greener, I could even fly for SONG. No wait SONG is on hold. so much for that I guess.
 
Nah, Delta is just one big family...............The Manson Family:( :eek:
 
Hey G. Lee

In case you don't know, we are interviewing again. Better get your app in soon. This is the interview board, remember, or did you not get that when you came to this forum?
 
General Lee,

Many defended you on the thread " Greed Greed Greed".

I hope they see your true colors on this thread.

Our problems pale in comparison to yours.

You are as bad as the other "baiters" on this forum. You just hide it better.

Good luck!!

SWAdude:cool:
 
definitely not a scripted show...

As a SWA customer, my experience is that what you see in the show Airline is definitely no hype. It is what I have seen as a passenger. The SWA flight attendants are trully the best I've seen. I hope they get what they deserve. If disgruntled airline employees could only be as good...
There is a mantle of jealousy beneath the General's comments.
No offense General, I love and respect many of your posts but you let your true colors show...
 
Hey General, looks like you hit a sore spot. It seems like sometimes you have to treat some SWA guys with kid gloves. We often forget how irritated they get after flying 6 or 8 legs.
 
Hey General, looks like you hit a sore spot. It seems like sometimes you have to treat some SWA guys with kid gloves. We often forget how irritated they get after flying 6 or 8 legs.



I really do not think it is a sore spot it is called defending a labor group in your airline that you have faith in.

They may be flying 6 or 8 legs a day, but I guarantee there are allot of posters that wish to all he!! that they were flying 6 or 8 legs a day. Think of the alt. furloughed and sending out resumes not wanting to answer that phone because jet blue maybe on the other side. Maybe even getting that interview suit pressed the whole thing is scary and I for one am glad to see the SWA pilots sticking up for F.A's
 
Wow!!! I just wish this thing was over with..
 
Wow, this thread sure took a turn towards the ugly. I find these comparisons of SWA and Delta interesting because I interviewed at SWA in 1999 and was turned down. I was crushed, especially after spending all that money and time on the type rating. A year later I'm at Delta wondering why I ever thought I wanted to be at SWA. Things were going well at Delta with great pay and a brand new contract. Boom, 9/ll happens and it's been downhill since. I've been furloughed but fortunately recalled. Ironically I'm again wondering where I'd be If I'd been hired at SWA. Probably fat dumb and happy with no worries.

These discussions and comparisons of each others airlines are lame and waste of time. We all know that we choose an airline based on the best information we have at the time and hope it all works out in the end. Timing is everything.
 
It's not too late to come to the dark side.....

SWA is starting to interview again. Unfortunately ATA is done for the year ;)
 
FedExpert said:
Hey General, looks like you hit a sore spot. It seems like sometimes you have to treat some SWA guys with kid gloves. We often forget how irritated they get after flying 6 or 8 legs.

Yeah...

I want to fly one or two legs inbound, sit for six hours around a rat nasty cargo facility, then fly a leg or two back out to a cool city only to check into the hotel when the rest of the world is heading out to live their lives. Then, try to sleep while the sunshine peeks its way in around my tightly drawn shades.

Whats that? my alarm?!?! Well its 8pm. Time to do it all again. Who are those guys with the girls having beers at the hotel bar? Well I can tell you for danm sure who its not.
 
I've been furloughed but fortunately recalled. Ironically I'm again wondering where I'd be If I'd been hired at SWA. Probably fat dumb and happy with no worries.

good to hear that you got recalled, but I don't think that ANYBODY is safe at any airline. We all worry about our jobs no matter what airline, some more than others........




These discussions and comparisons of each others airlines are lame and waste of time.

totally agreed...
 
just a thoutht:

today more than ever the best airline is the one that hires you! Luck and timeing! How true it is.....

Although these airline comparisons do get old and are highly biased favoring each writers own airline, 4 yeas ago when everyone was hiring this was a great place to log on and get insider info. Thus helping people with multipul job offers make a decision. I enjoy the diversity here. thanks for the posts every one.......
 

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