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freightdogfred said:
I know I've got a lot to learn bein new and all...but what type of trips are you able to drop in elitt? I've put weekday trips, both 3 and 4 days, starting on a tues, with no PIN#, no cell to call, yet there they sit. I was told the weekday trips were the most desirable. Are the AM or PM's easiest to give away?
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So HD gave you the low down on TTGA. Elitt is another animal for dropping a trip. You need the "net zero" to be positive to trade down what you have. If net zero is 3, you can trade two of your 3 day trips for one 3 day trip...and then trade back to one of your original trips if you want it back. There you go...dropped a trip into Elitt. The problem as an FO is net zero will seldom be a positive number. More often on the CA side. Hope that helps.

BTW, May (and the whole Summer) are very difficult periods to give trips away. Turns and high pay 2 days...maybe. 3 and 4 day trips? Very challenging.
 
Agreed. I've been trying to give away a pretty decent 4 day towards the end of May (Wed-Sat AM) or trade it to a 3 day with a start on the 23rd. No luck whatsoever. Net zero is 0, and there are no other 4 days in ELITT for the whole month (was thinking I would turn another 3 day into a 4 day and then really quickly swap that 4 day for a 3 day when ELITT went to +1)

Just trying to be off for the kiddo's last day of school.

No Bueno. :(
 
You don't have to do one trade and then another really quick. You can select multiple trips and trade simultaneously. Trade your 3 day and 4 day for a 4 day and a 3 day. Just use the ctrl key to select multiple trips. That's how you turn two trips into one if net zero is high enough.
 
FurloughedAgain said:
Agreed. I've been trying to give away a pretty decent 4 day towards the end of May (Wed-Sat AM) or trade it to a 3 day with a start on the 23rd. No luck whatsoever. Net zero is 0, and there are no other 4 days in ELITT for the whole month (was thinking I would turn another 3 day into a 4 day and then really quickly swap that 4 day for a 3 day when ELITT went to +1)

Just trying to be off for the kiddo's last day of school.

No Bueno. :(
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Also, one of the best ways to turn a 4-day to a three day, is the moment ELITT opens on the 25th. Highlight the 4 day and then attempt to trade it for a three day. Most times the message comes back that the trade will leave too many duty periods in ELITT. But, because there are so many transactions going on the net zero will momentarily rise to +1 as someone picks up a trip with more duty periods. You simply have to hit the process trade button at the right time and you will be able to trade a 4-day for a 3-day. Just keep attempting the trade until it goes through, then when you have the three day on your board, you can move it or trade it as needed. I dislike 4-days and am usually able to trade down to 3 in this fashion.
 
shootr said:
You don't have to do one trade and then another really quick. You can select multiple trips and trade simultaneously. Trade your 3 day and 4 day for a 4 day and a 3 day. Just use the ctrl key to select multiple trips. That's how you turn two trips into one if net zero is high enough.
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I didn't realize you could do that. Thank you!
 
From an outsider looking in, how long would it take for a new hire to be able to hold MCO as an FO these days after the AirTran merger?
Ever?
 
See freightdog? Trading trips is easy, right?

Clear as mud.
 
AirDingo said:
From an outsider looking in, how long would it take for a new hire to be able to hold MCO as an FO these days after the AirTran merger?
Ever?
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Currently the most junior FO in MCO is at 3 years. That will change based on retirements, upgrades and if SWA opens another domicile. Your guess is as good as mine.
 
Freddy-

Regarding TTGA (Ty's Trip Give Away)-

You can give away parts of your trip, which makes some trips easier to give away. You can break down the trip leg by leg, if you want. I seem to have pretty good luck splitting a trip as it goes through a base, or between a base and a commuting city.

One of the flaws in the TTGA system is that trips you give up only display for the base the trip originated in. So, if you wanted to split a PHX trip in DAL on day 2, only PHX people will see it, unless a DAL guy happens to check PHX TTGA.

Hope that helps.

Ty
 
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Don't let facts get in the way of a good story!

I submitted a long-term leave request right after AirTran shut down. The company waited nearly two months to deny it, just a few days before class. The timing was entirely their doing.
 
PCL_128 said:
Don't let facts get in the way of a good story!

I submitted a long-term leave request right after AirTran shut down. The company waited nearly two months to deny it, just a few days before class. The timing was entirely their doing.
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Wait a sec, didn't you boast that you were never going to cross over? Turns out you were begging the same company you insulted on a daily basis for a favor so you could not work for them, but work another job for daddy? The reason your ridiculous request took so long to be denied was they probably couldn't stop laughing.
 
I'm not sure where you idiots get this idea that you owe some sort of loyalty or respect to an employer. It's a business relationship, nothing more. You provide your labor in exchange for a compensation package.
 
freightdogfred said:
I know I've got a lot to learn bein new and all...but what type of trips are you able to drop in elitt? I've put weekday trips, both 3 and 4 days, starting on a tues, with no PIN#, no cell to call, yet there they sit. I was told the weekday trips were the most desirable. Are the AM or PM's easiest to give away?
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It also could be that many FO's are playing the Premium game. Lately, there have been FO's that made more than Captains on the same 3 day trip. TTGA is at its best during the winter months, when lines go thin and there is hardly any Premium to get in on.
 
PCL_128 said:
I'm not sure where you idiots get this idea that you owe some sort of loyalty or respect to an employer. It's a business relationship, nothing more. You provide your labor in exchange for a compensation package.
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You are the true definition of the Yiddish word, 'mashugana'.
 
PCL_128 said:
I'm not sure where you idiots get this idea that you owe some sort of loyalty or respect to an employer. It's a business relationship, nothing more. You provide your labor in exchange for a compensation package.
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I hope you have this HEAVILY HIGHLIGHTED at your current workplace. Remember, those people working for you owe you nothing. Maybe we should get them all together and start a Union to make sure you really are looking out for their rights.
 
canyonblue said:
It also could be that many FO's are playing the Premium game. Lately, there have been FO's that made more than Captains on the same 3 day trip. TTGA is at its best during the winter months, when lines go thin and there is hardly any Premium to get in on.
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Yea...you could be right. I was under the impression weekday trips were easy to give away, especially in a desirable base but it does not seem to be the case. Even getting premium seems to be difficult, I've bid on a few, was the senior guy but never got the trip it was given to a reserve. The whole system is a bit cumbersome, as it can take upwards of 2 hrs to find out who they decided to give it to, which if you're a commuter starts to limit your options of getting to your base. I guess each and every open time bid is processed manually, by a scheduler? Are there no computers in Texas...?
 
canyonblue said:
I hope you have this HEAVILY HIGHLIGHTED at your current workplace. Remember, those people working for you owe you nothing. Maybe we should get them all together and start a Union to make sure you really are looking out for their rights.
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I've never had an employee quit, because they're well paid and treated well. But if they found someone who was willing to offer them better money or working conditions, I sure as hell wouldn't expect any loyalty, and I would encourage them to go take that job.
 
PCL_128 said:
Don't let facts get in the way of a good story!

I submitted a long-term leave request right after AirTran shut down. The company waited nearly two months to deny it, just a few days before class. The timing was entirely their doing.
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So you didn't give two weeks notice?


Edit...there you go.
 
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humveedriver said:
Currently the most junior FO in MCO is at 3 years. That will change based on retirements, upgrades and if SWA opens another domicile. Your guess is as good as mine.
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That's right now. Just wait for a few for base"right sizings". It will be way more senior than that.
 
redflyer65 said:
So you didn't give two weeks notice?
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Couldn't. Denial of the leave request came in a few days before my class date. They could have saved themselves a ton of money by approving the leave request when it was submitted, but they chose not to, so I certainly don't feel bad about not being able to give two weeks' notice.
 
PCL_128 said:
Couldn't. Denial of the leave request came in a few days before my class date. They could have saved themselves a ton of money by approving the leave request when it was submitted, but they chose not to, so I certainly don't feel bad about not being able to give two weeks' notice.
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Why would you request a leave from a company that you have stated over and over again that you would never work for?

Trying to keep your seniority number as a back up plan?

If you're never going to work there why ask for a leave of absence?

If you are on a leave of absence you understand that you still work there, right?
 
I can't imagine a set of circumstances where I would have returned, but it never hurts to have options.
 

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