Southwest to San Juan late 2010 or 2011...

[Beetle007]

Where does the 162 miles come from? Is it an Ops spec that gives relief from FAR 121.339?

FAR 121.339 requires a life raft for "extended overwater operations".

Extended over-water operation means--
(1) With respect to aircraft other than helicopters, an operation over water at a horizontal distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the nearest shoreline;

 

[njcapt]

Where does the 162 miles come from? Is it an Ops spec that gives relief from FAR 121.339?

Yep. Its common relief.

 

[C-150ETOPS]

Gen Lee will post u guys will take years to learn to fly intl., yet all DCI carriers learn to do intl. in the 3 months notice DL gives them. Over water does not take long

Here's what I had to put up with on an all-nighter for 6 hours over Brazil a couple of years ago. I think it was a ATL-Sao Paulo(GRU) flight right near our MIA-GRU flight:

bueNNNNOOSS diAAASS (Manuas/Brasila/Sau Paulo) Center, Delta 1234 is checkin' on wit' ya' at FLXYZ, getting a little light ripples here, do you have any ride reports down da' road?" The response was usually silence until the third try.

I think it's "Bom Dia" not Buenos Dias

Then there was another large airline based in TX, not DFW , who called Bogota Center "baGOTTA Control" every time.

Always a laugh with newbies. :laugh:

 

[alpine1989]

Where does the 162 miles come from? Is it an Ops spec that gives relief from FAR 121.339?

FAR 121.339 requires a life raft for "extended overwater operations".

Extended over-water operation means--
(1) With respect to aircraft other than helicopters, an operation over water at a horizontal distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the nearest shoreline;

OPSPEC A013 Extended overwater turbojet operations without required emergency equipment.

 

[Beetle007]

OPSPEC A013 Extended overwater turbojet operations without required emergency equipment.

Thanks! I have never flown for an airline that didn't have rafts so i have never seen that Ops Spec.

 

[General Lee]

Gen Lee will post u guys will take years to learn to fly intl., yet all DCI carriers learn to do intl. in the 3 months notice DL gives them. Over water does not take long

CRXpilot is correct. You are in radar contact all the way to SJU, and that means the SWA 737-300s won't get totally lost out there. I am pretty sure the SWA guys will get the hang of it fairly quick, and the controllers all speak English, which will make it easier.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Golden Falcon]

At least it seems Delta has now learned how to land at the correct airport in Florida after messing it up.....twice!!

 

[johnsonrod]

CRXpilot is correct. You are in radar contact all the way to SJU, and that means the SWA 737-300s won't get totally lost out there. I am pretty sure the SWA guys will get the hang of it fairly quick, and the controllers all speak English, which will make it easier.


Bye Bye--General Lee

But will the SWA pilots freak out when they look down and not see land below them? That blue stuff is ocean... And please don't land in Cuba.

Just joking...

 

[Mike man]

Where does the 162 miles come from?

My understanding is that the 162 mile restriction has something to do with Class I and Class II navigation...less than 162NM from a nav aid is Class I.

 

[firstthird]

I think it has to do with rafts and life preservers. we still don't have rafts but added some under the seat yellow life preservers and now we can go to 162. our navigation has been the same.