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Ok, I think I'm a little dense when it comes to stocks.. When you talk about "stock options" does this mean that you have the opportunity to buy the stocks at your vestment date, or they are somehow "given" to you?

Thanks for the info!! I'll get this straight one of these days!!

S.B.

Also, Does SWA have a Stock Purchase Program? I know some airlines allow you to purchase stocks at a discount once per quarter..?
 
Shag's numbers are from the proposal. Scuttlebutt is that it's got about a 60% "approval rating" in the polls so far. Current rates for comparison...

F/O
Yr 1: $33.89 (9/1/02)
Yr 2: 58.89 (9/1/03)
Yr 3: 68.84 (9/1/04)

Brand new Capt
Yr 5: $118.41 (9/1/02)
Yr 6: 123.50 (9/1/03)
Yr 7: 131.16 (9/1/04)

Holding a Capt line at 5 years would depend on which domicile you are in, but you can probably upgrade to Capt qual at about 5 years (and fly some Capt trips by commuting or picking up).

Stock options are given to you, but they are options, not actual stock. In other words, they are giving you "control" of a block of stocks. When you exercise the option, you are "buying" and "selling" it simultaneously, and (presumably) taking the profits. If you're granted 1000 options at a $15.00 strike price, and the stock goes up to $16.00 and you exercise the options, you get $1000.

There is a stock purchase plan as well. You can buy them monthly (if I'm remembering orientation day correctly), and I think the discount is 10%.

As for flying schedule, the guarantee is 85/87/89 trips, depending on how many days (28/30/31) are in the month. There is no "typical" schedule, as you can find anywhere from 12 days to probably 17 days of flying. A common schedule would be either a 3-on, 3-off, a 3-on, 4-off, or a 4-on, 3-off "pattern" until you have flown 13-16 days. If you get the 4-on, 3-off pattern, you probably also have a block of 5-9 days off in a row somewhere. There are no lines planned with less than 16 days off (31-day month), but you can "give away" trips (if someone will take them) or "pick up" extra trips (if you can outbid the other guys for them).
Schedule length is not necessarily directly related to pay, either.

My "hard line" first month I flew 120 trips, on a relatively "easy" 3-on, 4-off pattern, (gave away a 2-day and worked 15 total) and the "worst" day of any trip was a 5-leg day going up and down Calif. If you get any "long-haul" stuff like MDW-OAK or PVD-PHX you can get more "trips per day" than you can doing the Texas Two Step. But your own schedule is pretty highly "customizable" as long as there are guys out there looking to pick up extra stuff (which varies by domicile).
 
WOW!

Lots of great info here guys, thanks! Many of my questions/mysteries are now clear.

I just found this board yesterday & signed on today, wrinkled & pruned like the rest of you "poolies".

As it goes... misery loves company? Of course the "misery" is a great place to be - finally - and I too am "enjoying" my status as an expert swimmer, I am considering an Olympic tryout this summer after all of this pool time, anyone know where the trials are held??

Thanks again to all who are here, hope to meet some of you soon in DAL. Have a great day! KB
 
Thanks XHerc. Those numbers are more in line with what our MEC published. My guess is that they tried to convert a per trip rate to a per hour rate. The monthly trip guarantee you stated was exactly what they published.

One more question. How does the trip method for determining pay work? Is each leg assigned a trip value based on scehduled block time? What happens if the leg exceeds block? How about if it is less? Do the trip times get adjusted regularly? Such as if they notice the ONT-LAS leg is consistently five minutes over the :55 scheduled block, is it adjusted upward?

Stock options I understand. However I've never had anyone explain the trip method used by SWA.

To anyone who responds, thanks in advance.

Brad
 
Hehe I'm not sure I can explain the trip method either :D But from The Holy Contract of Antioch...

A "trip" = 243 miles. Any flight between two airports 243 miles (or less) apart is a "trip." Every 40 additional miles between the two airports is 1/10 trip. (Apparently the previous union reps couldn't divide 243 by 10) ;) There is also a time calculation involved, where a standard trip = 55 minutes. Every 5 minutes over that = 1/10 trip, so if you're in a holding pattern, or vectored to East Jesus, or told to maintain 170 kts 100 miles out, the pay will be based on the greater of the "time trip" or the "distance trip." Except the first 7 minutes doesn't count, so it isn't "over" for time until you're 12 minutes late, so 12 minutes is 1/10 trip, and 17 minutes is 2/10, etc.

Confused yet? I know I am :D

There is some debate ongoing over just how the "comparable hourly rate" is being determined, so I won't hazard a guess as to how it really is, other than to say that the union, the company, and other companies pretty much all use whichever "conversion" appears to be most advantageous to their negotiating position, as we'd expect, I guess ;) But, for a rough estimate, if 55 minutes = 1 trip, then 60 min = 1.09 trips, so add about 10% to the above trip rates for an "hourly rate."
 
Thanks XHerc. I have to admit I was shaking my head halfway through your post explaining the trip system. Leave it to airline management to make something that should be simple into something so complicated.

I gave up trying to understand the trip system. I figure that most airline pilots are like me, and try to work as little as possible. So, I just take the monthly guarantee whether it's in trips or hours, and multiply it by the corresponding rate, to see what the laziest pilot for either airline would earn in a month. I'll let the overachievers who like to work overtime worry about how many minutes or miles extra they have to fly to earn an extra buck. :)

Thanks again,

Brad
 
Sorry folks, I've been on the road, but most of the questions looked answered...

I included the contract proposal because I fully expect it to pass, I've heard polling numbers place it around 65/35 FOR. (though I will not be voting for it; that would be another thread...)

The trip rates make it seem we get paid less than we really do. If you are comparing hours to trips you are really messing up. Last month I flew 77.35 hours. But I was paid for 102.7 trips. I make 55.51 per trip right now. That's the same as 73.70/hour for last month. It will vary from month to month. In May, I flew 94 trips and blocked 79.3 which equated to about 65 an hour. So when comparing keep that in mind. A good gouge is add 14% to the trip rate.

By the end of this contract in 06 (should it pass), a 12 year captain will make the equivalent of $200 per hour.

Profit sharing is up to the company and I don't know of any contractual guidelines to that.
 
Flychicaga,
The overnights vary, and I don't know the official stats, if there are any. However, from my experience, the low end is around 12 hours, the high end is around 20 hours. Most are around 14-16 hours.
 
How are your hotels on overnights? Are we talking Holiday Inn, Radisson, etc? For example, where do you guys stay in San Antonio? or San Diego? Just looking for an idea of what kind of places you get...thanks!
 
We stay at the Hilton in San Antonio, and Sheraton in San Diego. It depends on the city obviously, but it is pilots and flight attendants who are on the committees that chose the hotels, so the discounts and amenities are generally very good.
 

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