Southwest Line on Credit?

[dicko]

Dicko-
You deny that AT had a 500 TPIC requirement in 2004?
That could be waived if so desired?

I don't doubt that you had some older pilots in the mix- so many pilots were laid off after 9/11- pilots landed at just about every airline- even regionals-
But again, there is no question that the SWA and AT jobs were not remotely equal at any time before the merger.
Are you questioning that assertion? By what metric are you measuring your equality? We had 2 pilots leave widebody FO slots at delta to come here in my class.

I'm willing to hear your argument though-

I'm not asserting our equality, I'm asserting our superiority. SWA also had numerous pilots leave for other airlines. My sim partner for upgrade was a DAL 767 Captain. Your point is moot, mute and most importantly .... Moo.

The number was 500 121 TPIC. It was waived for a small number of Mil pilots, experienced corporate, Heavy (747 F.Os) and of course a tiny percentage of special people. The competitive number was at least 1000 121 TPIC.

Ask somebody about the comparative unstable approach data between SWA and AirTran. SWA has quadruple the number on a relative scale. Any perceived superiority of SWA pilots is a greater myth than 'The Golden Rule'.

Your FOQA numbers would make a webbed foot Flemish whore blush.

 

[waveflyer]

Dicko, now your just being a troll.

It was always a better job. Period. And now I yawn, bc I'm bored- you've apparently decided you're better than all your new coworkers and clearly all swapa pilots should've been stapled... Whatever. It's your blood pressure.

AT is done. Im just saying that if we buy anybody else, expect the junior FOs here to be a LOT more militant in the SLI. There wont be support for anywhere near as good a deal as AT got

 

[redflyer65]

The competitive number was at least 1000 121 TPIC.

That was your competitive?

Not even close to competitive at Southwest, thanks for helping prove the point though.


And the fact that you are now trying to throw out 'unstable approaches' as your new critera makes the whole conversation even more lame.

How many apps did Airtran have on file from Southwest guys Dicko?

 

[Scoot 11]

If it was about buying a job. Another guy that sucked on the Government titty... calling me out. Funny. I got my type on the GI Bill - FYI! :beer:

No, I'm calling you out because of your keyboard warrior tactics!

 

[scoreboardII]

Competitive SWA applicants carried 3000-2500PIC/turbine/4yr degree.

Unstable approach dig, lets talk about that, there is a reason: differences in flight operations.

 

[dicko]

That was your competitive?

Not even close to competitive at Southwest, thanks for helping prove the point though.


And the fact that you are now trying to throw out 'unstable approaches' as your new critera makes the whole conversation even more lame.

How many apps did Airtran have on file from Southwest guys Dicko?

I don't know Red. Why don't you make up a number and tell me While you're at it; tell me how many SWA pilots have apps at United, Delta, and FedEx. Today's winners are tomorrows losers. United pilots have been a little quieter over the last decade haven't they ..... Hmmmm ? I see you haven't applied lesson to your own hubris yet.

The next two years should be interesting. We'll see numerous FOs from both sides go to the above mentioned if they're able. You'll need to have re-alter your paradigm ...... Again.

One of ours left this week for US Air. How does that fit into your 'SWA is the better airline' argument ?

 

[dicko]

Competitive SWA applicants carried 3000-2500PIC/turbine/4yr degree.

Unstable approach dig, lets talk about that, there is a reason: differences in flight operations.

I agree. 1000 121 TPIC was a minimum. My class had all of the above. It's standard and isn't exactly Everest.

Tell me about the different flight ops please ? Are you saying that a smaller airport makes it more difficult to be stable ? Midway perhaps ? Either argument is a complete cop out.

 

[dicko]

Dicko, now your just being a troll.

It was always a better job. Period. And now I yawn, bc I'm bored- you've apparently decided you're better than all your new coworkers and clearly all swapa pilots should've been stapled... Whatever. It's your blood pressure.

AT is done. Im just saying that if we buy anybody else, expect the junior FOs here to be a LOT more militant in the SLI. There wont be support for anywhere near as good a deal as AT got

Damn. I was hoping that by not adding a smiley you'd overdose on Creatine at the gym and pop a blood vessel.

My tone was a wind up and I'm not really arrogant enough to believe that one pilot group is better than another. The other stuff is true. Glass houses chief.

 

[ASADFW7]

I like this thread, everyone wants to be heard. Even when the discussion has been open for a long time, holding onto whatever grievances that is held within your mind and heart will only make you sick. No need to knock a brother down, being frustrated and treated poorly is no way to live. I wish the my company is better than yours wasn't a personal insult to those who feel like they are being attacked. For many it is, there is far too much emotions involved. From wherever you sat there is a turd potentially around the next corner.

 

[redflyer65]

I don't know Red. Why don't you make up a number and tell me While you're at it; tell me how many SWA pilots have apps at United, Delta, and FedEx. Today's winners are tomorrows losers. United pilots have been a little quieter over the last decade haven't they ..... Hmmmm ? I see you haven't applied lesson to your own hubris yet.

The next two years should be interesting. We'll see numerous FOs from both sides go to the above mentioned if they're able. You'll need to have re-alter your paradigm ...... Again.

One of ours left this week for US Air. How does that fit into your 'SWA is the better airline' argument ?

Just like I said earlier Dicko, if it is somebody's personal choice to go to Airtran (just like that guy going to USair), that's fine. Could be base related, family related, or maybe hoping for an earlier upgrade. All valid points. It's all about a personal choice. But don't try to come on here and act like SW and Airtran were equal when it came time to get a job.

I'm not saying our pilots are any better than any others, but when you try to say these two airlines were equals, then I'm going to call BS because it is.

Just because your pissed about losing your CA seat doesn't give you free rein to fabricate the facts. Sorry.