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Southwest - gumming up arrivals

ILOVEBEER

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I'm guessing that your management passed down some new brilliant fuel conservation profile? It seems, in the last few months, that EVERYTIME we fly into an airport that is served by Southwest, the controllers slow us down over 100 miles out. I'm not talking about 10-20 kts but its always slow to less than 250. Our normal descent speed is .82 to 360kts. With fuel prices the way they are, this delay (10+ minutes) is actually costing us money. I understand using your fuel profile into some of the more podunk places, but is it really necessary into the busier airports? Just saying that it's starting to get old.
 

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I'm guessing that your management passed down some new brilliant fuel conservation profile? It seems, in the last few months, that EVERYTIME we fly into an airport that is served by Southwest, the controllers slow us down over 100 miles out. I'm not talking about 10-20 kts but its always slow to less than 250. Our normal descent speed is .82 to 360kts. With fuel prices the way they are, this delay (10+ minutes) is actually costing us money. I understand using your fuel profile into some of the more podunk places, but is it really necessary into the busier airports? Just saying that it's starting to get old.

Cry me a river. Dude, with those descent speeds, you're going to be faster than 90% of the jet traffic out there! 360 KIAS!? What are you flying...a 727? Even before we lowered our cost index (which gives a 261-266 KIAS descent speed...down from 280ish KIAS), you would have had to slow down behind us. The fuel savings SWA has realized from this are real, and it adds typically 2-3 minutes on to a 90 min flight. So yes, I'm calling B.S. on your 10+ minute delays. ATC is also not bashful about asking us to pick up our speed at the larger airports. With fuel prices the way they are, perhaps you too could benefit a little by experimenting with cost indexes?
 

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Cry me a river. Dude, with those descent speeds, you're going to be faster than 90% of the jet traffic out there! 360 KIAS!? What are you flying...a 727? Even before we lowered our cost index (which gives a 261-266 KIAS descent speed...down from 280ish KIAS), you would have had to slow down behind us. The fuel savings SWA has realized from this are real, and it adds typically 2-3 minutes on to a 90 min flight. So yes, I'm calling B.S. on your 10+ minute delays. ATC is also not bashful about asking us to pick up our speed at the larger airports. With fuel prices the way they are, perhaps you too could benefit a little by experimenting with cost indexes?

He just wanted to brag about the speed. Probably just got out of a prop and the new hasn't worn off yet. Let him get a little time in it and he'll settle down.
 

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hey remember guys, most of us get paid by the minute. stop complaining. the new young bucks will learn this with time.
 

Russ

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What current commercial aircraft has a VMO of 360 Kts or greater?
 

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>>>>....EVERYTIME we fly into an airport that is served by Southwest, the controllers slow us down over 100 miles out. ....<<<

Sorta makes up for your absurd 8 knot taxi speeds keeping SWA a/c from getting to their gates or to the runway.
 

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Not flaming, but what "busy terminal area" allows you to descend at 360 knots? And that's regardless of who is in front of you? What do you fly and where?
 

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Haha! I forgot to logout. Very funny.

I don't know what aircraft the imposter flies, but we normally descend at 340-350 kts in the challenger and Vmo is 360. I think the Falcon 7x is 370 or something.
 

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I'll never forget descending into ATL and the controller telling us we #1 in the pack and to maintain max forward speed. he then asked what that was and I said 390 (727). He then told the MD-80 behind us not to exceed 380.
 

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I don't know what aircraft the imposter flies, but we normally descend at 340-350 kts in the challenger and Vmo is 360. I think the Falcon 7x is 370 or something.

Certainly won't get a bird strike from behind in that will ya.
 

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What current commercial aircraft has a VMO of 360 Kts or greater?

The normal descent in the Falcon 2000 is .84 and 360 knots. We do it every day, everywhere we go until we're told otherwise. VMO/MMO is .865 and 370 knots. Smooth as silk at those speeds as well.
 

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Bragging about doing 360 when weighing less than 35,000lbs................

HA HA HA HA HA
 

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C Even before we lowered our cost index (which gives a 261-266 KIAS descent speed...down from 280ish KIAS), you would have had to slow down behind us. The fuel savings SWA has realized from this are real,

Just curious, what have you guys use for cruise speeds? Say FL 250 -
Thx,
 

ILOVEBEER

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Bragging about doing 360 when weighing less than 35,000lbs................

HA HA HA HA HA


Huh? I don't get it. What airplane discussed weighs less than 35K? What does that have to do with anthing? Please elaborate.
 
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1080P

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Was a corp. joke with a friend.....
Ask ATC if you can offset six miles and pass them. If you catch it early enough they'll grant it.
 

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Well maybe SWA should pull out of the major airports if they can't keep up with the flow and go back to the smaller secondary airports that they started with.

If your gonna fly that slow it would be more cost effective if you sold the 737s and got turboprops.
 

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Well maybe SWA should pull out of the major airports if they can't keep up with the flow and go back to the smaller secondary airports that they started with.

If your gonna fly that slow it would be more cost effective if you sold the 737s and got turboprops.

Doesn't matter. They'll still share the same STARs.

BTW, I fly out of PHX,LAS,SNA,DAL,& OAK regularly and I've never encountered this problem
 
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