Southwest ETOPS job vacancy

[Dan Roman]

Good luck with "bags fly free" to a vacation destination like Hawaii. You will be paying someone to carry them there or leaving a lot behind. You can't fill up a 737 and fly it to Hawaii with winter jetstreams kicking in.

 

[bluebound]

You would think after 38 years people would stop trying to tell Southwest what they can not do.

 

[HalinTexas]

Good luck with "bags fly free" to a vacation destination like Hawaii. You will be paying someone to carry them there or leaving a lot behind. You can't fill up a 737 and fly it to Hawaii with winter jetstreams kicking in.

Yes, you can. Depends on bags/cargo. I've done it.

 

[Dan Roman]

Hey, I'm not bashing them or saying what they can or cannot do. I'm just making an observation that you cannot fill up any model of 737 and fly to Hawaii when the jetstream gets too strong. It seems to me one of SWA's strongest selling points is it's bags fly free campaign and I'm guessing it has gotten them a lot of traffic (although who knows how much revenue they have left on the table), but if people fly on SWA to Hawaii because they can carry two large bags for free and only pay for the third one, they could end up with a lot more bags than you would get on your average transcon. People going to Hawaii tend to bring a lot of bags, more than transcon passengers.
The attitude that SWA can do anything it wants and be successful is also a great way to sink a strong ship. It's called arrogance. Pan Am once thought that. Braniff used to be very successful, etc etc.

 

[Dan Roman]

Yes, you can. Depends on bags/cargo. I've done it.

Not with a 150 kts of headwind, as I'm sure you remember. It happens a lot in the winter. Key word in your statement is depends.
Also, what station you are flying out of makes a big dif. Only OAK comes close.

 

[HalinTexas]

Not with a 150 kts of headwind, as I'm sure you remember. It happens a lot in the winter. Key word in your statement is depends.
Also, what station you are flying out of makes a big dif. Only OAK comes close.

150 kts is pretty rare. 100+? Sure, frequently. It's also not at all altitudes. If it's 150 kts-ish, flying at FL280-320 (you laugh, but I've heard many flights down that low to get a better ride.) or a different track. Out of OAK it was not unheard of to fly to the "D" track and LAX I frequently flew the "F" track. I've seen some weird filings, but it can happen. Also, depends on time of day.

Out of OAK, it was pretty easy. I flew ATA's -800s with 175 seats, with over 170 pax plus cargo (maybe 1000#s) out of LAX and ONT at a TO weight 100-200 lbs. below max (175K). Our biz class had 162 seats. No problem. We took the cargo bin "bag-belts" out to give us an extra 1500 lbs.

Coming back was tougher. OGG and LIH can be really tough getting out of. Winds, temp, altimeters, flaps 25, bleeds off. And that's with less gas. LIH was always at night to get the lower temp. I think it was 80F max. (It was 3 years ago, almost. <sigh>)

All this, and I'm not trying to sell NG's to HI, but it can be done. The B757 was ideal from the west coast. Haul lots of stuff, a long way, and short runways aren't much of a problem. Big cockpit, too.

 

[runwayjockey]

The attitude that SWA can do anything it wants and be successful is also a great way to sink a strong ship. It's called arrogance. Pan Am once thought that. Braniff used to be very successful, etc etc.

Dan,

I usually respect what you post, but this is pretty dumb.

I don't think this operation became the 800# gorilla of the industry by burying its head in the sand or running away with its tail between its legs.

 

[Captzaahlie]

This trip will be a piece of cake for SWA's as their 75's start rolling in........
(oh, you didn't hear that rumor yet?)

 

[Dan Roman]

Dan,

I usually respect what you post, but this is pretty dumb.

I don't think this operation became the 800# gorilla of the industry by burying its head in the sand or running away with its tail between its legs.

Well thanks, sort of! I'm really not bashing SWA and you can't judge a whole lot by peoples posts. So if it sounds like it, you would probably get a different opinion in a conversation. I have nothing but respect for SWA. All I was making was the point that there are problems with the 737 when we have strong headwinds as is often the case in the Pacific. We carry a LOT of Alaska passengers and/or bags when the Jetstream kicks in. Your free baggage deal I'm sure helps you get a lot of market share, it would be a whole different deal if a full load of pax's show up with enough bags for 2 weeks in Hawaii because of that good deal. Many days you will not be able to carry them. As Halin TX says, you can work around it to a certain degree, but sometimes you will be leaving pax's and/or bags behind. It is easiest out of OAK. Alaska sometimes has to divert to OAK, refuel and than cross.

The arrogance observation is just what I said. It sounded like the poster was saying, based on past successes, SWA would succeed at anything they tried. Very foolish attitude, any airline can make a few mistakes and totally turn things in another direction. I don't care who you are. USAir and Piedmont were two of the stongest airlines in the 80's. So was PanAm in the 60's. So was UAL in the 90's. If you think SWA is invincible you are sadly mistaken. That is not a insult, I think you guys have done an excellent job and probably will continue to do so. But none of us is invincible and strange things in this industry. The only constant is change in this business, for everyone.

 

[Whataburger]

10tfp each direction.

With an IO = 20tfp turns.

8 turns a month.

160 tfp for 8 days of work.

 

[runwayjockey]

Well thanks, sort of! I'm really not bashing SWA and you can't judge a whole lot by peoples posts. So if it sounds like it, you would probably get a different opinion in a conversation. I have nothing but respect for SWA. All I was making was the point that there are problems with the 737 when we have strong headwinds as is often the case in the Pacific. We carry a LOT of Alaska passengers and/or bags when the Jetstream kicks in. Your free baggage deal I'm sure helps you get a lot of market share, it would be a whole different deal if a full load of pax's show up with enough bags for 2 weeks in Hawaii because of that good deal. Many days you will not be able to carry them. As Halin TX says, you can work around it to a certain degree, but sometimes you will be leaving pax's and/or bags behind. It is easiest out of OAK. Alaska sometimes has to divert to OAK, refuel and than cross.

The arrogance observation is just what I said. It sounded like the poster was saying, based on past successes, SWA would succeed at anything they tried. Very foolish attitude, any airline can make a few mistakes and totally turn things in another direction. I don't care who you are. USAir and Piedmont were two of the stongest airlines in the 80's. So was PanAm in the 60's. So was UAL in the 90's. If you think SWA is invincible you are sadly mistaken. That is not a insult, I think you guys have done an excellent job and probably will continue to do so. But none of us is invincible and strange things in this industry. The only constant is change in this business, for everyone.

Could not agree more!

 

[spciii]

You can't fill up a 737 and fly it to Hawaii with winter jetstreams kicking in.

Who says it has to be a 737?


Posted on December 11, 2010 by admin
Confidential Treatment
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A new CT order often indicates that new information has been filed with the SEC that the company would like held private, which in this case may include new aircraft orders or changes to current aircraft orders.

Oh snap!

 

[50Pesos]

10tfp each direction.

With an IO = 20tfp turns.

8 turns a month.

160 tfp for 8 days of work.

sounds so good it's gotta be senior!

 

[HalinTexas]

10tfp each direction.

With an IO = 20tfp turns.

8 turns a month.

160 tfp for 8 days of work.

ATA had that schedule. Obviously wasn't for as much pay, but you can really cash it in with OT.

If you live in CA, this is the best gig in the industry.

 

[HalinTexas]

I should clarify. The B737 is a horrible ETOPS platform. It can be done, if that's all you have.

If Boeing put a RAT on it, it would help, but count on running that APU a lot!