Southwest could lose 121 Certificate

[orangebellyav8r]

Dude

If it wasn't for SWA, you would not have a contract like you got. As for DAL/NWA it is apples and oranges. DUDE. You can have your rat hole ATL. By the way, you will not have DAL, MDW, BWI, MCO, HOU, LAS, PHX, OAK. Best of luck DUDE

 

[scoreboardII]

I'm always amazed at folks first post on their christmas mini-webernet machines

 

[Ty Webb]

Please show me where Bond McCaskill requires SWA to merge operations!

Hint: It is not there.

It is in AirTran's pilot contract, and it is binding upon any merger or purchase of 51% or more.

 

[orangebellyav8r]

Good luck with that one. And I guess you think SWA didn't have any say in what you got.

 

[Ty Webb]

I know you're struggling to catch up, Chief, but those basic protections were in our 2001 Contract as well.

As for the crappy 2010 Contract, we were actually hamstrung by the pending merger. With a 98% strike vote, we were in the drivers' seat, until the SWA announcement came out. The SWA announcement worked against us, big time. I don't expect you to understand this; I am writing for anyone else who may be reading this.

 

[Dash Power]

It is in AirTran's pilot contract, and it is binding upon any merger or purchase of 51% or more.

This is not a merger so that is not a player. In our contract we have a similiar provision only if we buy someone. Is yours worded the same way? Would you mind sharing the wording of that section of your contract?

 

[General Lee]

No they didn't, pay was about the only thing. 75 hour reserve, equal pay for rotations (res. vs reg.), commuting policy, etc to name a few. The pay raise combine with the decrease in contract improvements equaled a pay cut for most former NWA pilots.

How about sick call? I would say EVERY NWA pilot likes the new sick call policy--AKA call in, and not give a note. How about new bases? How many FNWA guys now are based out West and down South? How about Greenslips? FNWA guys are cleaning up on that one. And it seems PLENTY of FNWA pilots voted for the joint contract. Whatever, dude.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Dude

If it wasn't for SWA, you would not have a contract like you got. As for DAL/NWA it is apples and oranges. DUDE. You can have your rat hole ATL. By the way, you will not have DAL, MDW, BWI, MCO, HOU, LAS, PHX, OAK. Best of luck DUDE

This guy is smoking dope. And, Arbitrators will look at the USAir debacle SLI and the DL/NWA SLI to help determine yours. Enjoy it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

This is not a merger so that is not a player. In our contract we have a similiar provision only if we buy someone. Is yours worded the same way? Would you mind sharing the wording of that section of your contract?

It's not a merger? Gary Kelly has stated so in many articles. And, the arbitrators will seperate the krap from each contract and determine the list. Your lawyers will fight it out, and then you will get to share cockpits with Ty. You had better be nice, he will likely be your Captain.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[roughneck]

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[Ty Webb]

This is not a merger so that is not a player. In our contract we have a similiar provision only if we buy someone. Is yours worded the same way? Would you mind sharing the wording of that section of your contract?

Mergers and Acquisitions are treated the same under our Contract. Our Contract requires the other airline, in this case, SWA, to sign off on it before consummating the purchase. It's my understanding that SWA has signed it.

Basically, our Contract says that in the event of a merger or a purchase of AAI the operations have to be combined within 18 months and the seniority lists merged according to Allegheny Mohawk or existing RLA law. It also prevents selling off the assets before combining operations.

 

[SWA/FO]

In that case they would be forced to use
The AT Certificate.Maybe the SW guys
Should look for a fair solution, and
Not a "Seat-Grab Windfall"

This "Seat-Grab Windfall" is not to be confused with the pending tranny Draft 2011 - MOTHER OF All WINDFALLS!

Its a good thing tranny brings everything to the table....the 3 WISE Men will figure it out. tranny pilots = bring everything and get everything.... Southwest Pilots = bring nothing to the party and get nothing. Sounds fair to me. imp:

 

[Bob Dylan]

God, this is seriously the world's easiest negotiation. Offer them a staple or no integration period. They will vote on it, and they will overwhelmingly accept a staple. Only a few morons at the top will be too blinded by greed, but the rest of th group likely know how lucky they are.

Easy to make it conditional too. For example, make it a condition that if the trannies want to let an arbitrator decide the SLI, then there will neverbe an SLI and the groups will be permanently separate under different contracts.

Seriously folks, when the majority of the trannie pilots want a staple, it's gonna happen. A few blowhards on FI don't make a difference.

 

[Ty Webb]

Dylan, check that CO level, buddy. I think you've got an exhaust leak.

 

[OurMoney1]

Google; Guadalupe Holdings Corp

Gary never has to merge Airtran....his people have their bases covered. Look at this from all angles, chances are he has too!

sorry....no Mccaskill and Bloo boo penalty here, nice try though. He's borrowed language to what Parker did to USAir.

Play ball or else. Amazing how they pit us against each other.

 

[becket]

I can't believe this B.S. has garnered 3 pages worth of response. Ignore it.

 

[IslandDriver]

What happened to the Midwest Express guys when Republic bought them? Could this purchase be handled the same? I see Republic planes flying around with Midwest Logos....could Southwest purchase AirTran and shut them down like Republic did to Midwest? Just wondering!

 

[SWA/FO]

What happened to the Midwest Express guys when Republic bought them? Could this purchase be handled the same? I see Republic planes flying around with Midwest Logos....could Southwest purchase AirTran and shut them down like Republic did to Midwest? Just wondering!

Not sure, but I do know that Gary is a smart dude and he has a plan A, B, C & D. Wonder what was in the Midwest Airlines contract? Didn't help them.

 

[stlflyguy]

This is not a merger so that is not a player. In our contract we have a similiar provision only if we buy someone. Is yours worded the same way? Would you mind sharing the wording of that section of your contract?

It doesn't have to be a "merger" in the literal sense. Your airline is buying 50% or more of another carrier.

http://bapwild.com/blog/?p=4

 

[tico]

Sure seems, after reading volumes on Guadalupe Holdings/SWA/Airtran, that this deal was structured by Airtran and SWA to alleviate the need to ever merge work groups.....I would guess that both Airtran and SWA lawyers worked the issues surrounding the Airtran cba, the SWA cba and whatever minor roll that the Bond/McCaskill legislation would have on this acquisition and structured the deal to avoid any potential road blocks