Southwest Airlines schedules its first flights in Memphis

[HowardBorden]

And, when people describe options in trips, it may help pilots looking for future job opportunties. I think both airlines are FANTASTIC, and a job at either would be "Hot Dog Awesome."


Bye Bye---General Lee

You are absolutely correct! Any pilot looking at future opportunities needs to know about airline flying and which airlines offer purely domestic trips or an international option. The problem is that any individual qualified to apply for the job most definitely knows that Delta has a large fleet and multiple options whereas SWA is for now a purely domestic airline. If you think you are enlightening the already enlightened you are incorrect. Even military pilots who have never operated in a 121 environment know this stuff and if they didn't they would probably be reluctant to get that info from an anonymous Internet poster rather than find it out from a trusted friend or colleague. So lets all agree to stop harping on it. You like your options and others like what they have available. To each his own, one mans trash is another mans treasure. We all know what we signed up for when we applied for the job and so do prospective applicants.

 

[Phlintstone]

"This message is hidden because General Lee is on your ignore list."

Ahhh. Tranquility from the idiocracy.

Phred

 

[General Lee]

You are absolutely correct! Any pilot looking at future opportunities needs to know about airline flying and which airlines offer purely domestic trips or an international option. The problem is that any individual qualified to apply for the job most definitely knows that Delta has a large fleet and multiple options whereas SWA is for now a purely domestic airline. If you think you are enlightening the already enlightened you are incorrect. Even military pilots who have never operated in a 121 environment know this stuff and if they didn't they would probably be reluctant to get that info from an anonymous Internet poster rather than find it out from a trusted friend or colleague. So lets all agree to stop harping on it. You like your options and others like what they have available. To each his own, one mans trash is another mans treasure. We all know what we signed up for when we applied for the job and so do prospective applicants.

Ummmmm, no. Not everyone understands how it works, especially coming from the Military. That's why there is "indoc". There are classes on how to bid, what choices you may have in planes, etc. FI is a place where you might get some insight, and this thread has provided some. So, when are you applying?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

"This message is hidden because I can't comprehend General Lee, he is a genius, so... he is on your ignore list."

Ahhh. Tranquility. I need it because I can't debate my way out of a paper bag...

Phred

Exactly Phred. Good bye!


Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Ahhh. Tranquility from the idiocracy.

Phred

Phred, it looks as if she is fishing in a thong. She's either a tease, or you've gotten everything out of her that you/she can handle and you both are taking a break. I hope it's the latter.

 

[Hardcorr]

Wow Gen, I've been lurking this site for years. Almost never post. You are a piece of work. Enough, Left your beloved Delta six years ago. Resigned my senority to leave for SWA. ATL chief pilot said I don't blame you. Different stokes for different folks. 17,000 dollar month last month. Worked my ass off. Don't do it every month but its always available if you need to. Did it working 18 days. Great layovers are nice but what we do in fourteen days here takes eighteen at Delta, maybe more. Senior Fo' s are easily knocking down 250k a year at 17 days a month.

 

[General Lee]

Wow Gen, I've been lurking this site for years. Almost never post. You are a piece of work. Enough, Left your beloved Delta six years ago. Resigned my senority to leave for SWA. ATL chief pilot said I don't blame you. Different stokes for different folks. 17,000 dollar month last month. Worked my ass off. Don't do it every month but its always available if you need to. Did it working 18 days. Great layovers are nice but what we do in fourteen days here takes eighteen at Delta, maybe more. Senior Fo' s are easily knocking down 250k a year at 17 days a month.

That's great. I made close to the same amount you did, but 46 fewer legs. You will re-think your decision soon enough. Your stagnation due to the merger will feel like our last decade. It can't be helped though, with one fleet type, you guys lose one Capt then move up one FO and hire a new one. With a legacy, the top guy leaves from a 744, then 11 guys move up. There are 4 years in a row coming up here (around 2020) that have more than 800 pilots leaving in one year, with even the next year after that at over 650. It just keeps going and going, while you max out at about 150 per year. It doesn't help with that younger AT pilot group you merged with. How'd you do with the merger anyway?

When you left 6 years ago, things probably weren't great. But, I doubt that same CP would tell you the same thing now. Try not to dwell on it too much. Enjoy that paycheck and 50 legs a month. You only flew the Md88 at DL, right? You do know there is a lot more variety than that, right? DOH!!!! Oh well.

No doubt both airlines are great, but there is a big difference. You'll figure that out on your own, and you'll probably never forget the Chief Pilot's face. It was your choice 6 long years ago, remember that.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Gen,

I was thinking about your continuous rant about how good the schedules were, so I decided to take a look...

I see ALOT of 767 lines that have four days that pay a whopping 21. Not even close to being productive. Gone for four days and really not making much. You guys need a payraise or better rigs.

Line credits of 74-84 for May.

 

[General Lee]

Gen,

I was thinking about your continuous rant about how good the schedules were, so I decided to take a look...

I see ALOT of 767 lines that have four days that pay a whopping 21. Not even close to being productive. Gone for four days and really not making much. You guys need a payraise or better rigs.

Line credits of 74-84 for May.

On the 757/767? Which base? Some FDAL only bases do have 4 day trips max domestically (LA, SLC, NYC, and ATL). Some FNWA bases (MSP, DTW, SEA) on the 757/767 have 5 day domestic trips worth closer to 30 hours. Then look at the INTL trips. Very productive. Up to 12 day trips, with shorter ones too, all very productive, with some close to 40 hours in 7 days(multiple crossings).

And Red, if you don't like the 21 hour 4 day domestic 757/767 trips, you can always bid UP to the 765 (6 day LHR trips or 6 day FRA trips worth 35 hours) or A330, 777, or 744. That's something called variety, or options. If you don't like your trips on a certain plane type, you can move up or down to improve your schedule, the quality of trips, etc. That is a good choice to have.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

General,

Thanks for making my point.

You guys work for basically 5.0 - 5.8 per day. That's not even close to productive when compared to SW.

So, I'm glad you like your easy trips that don't pay very much, but when I'm on the road I like to make max coin. If I'm away from home, I want to be compensated well.

I just fininshed a three day that paid 25. I have a simple transcon turn coming up that pays 9.5. Back home by 3pm.

There are some pretty stark differences between the two companies. I like ours better. I'm glad your happy with yours, I wouldn't be.