Southwest Airline pilot arrested! Drunk in cockpit!!!

[NW_Pilot]

If your Captain showed up drunk in the hotel lobby. Would you tell them then that you thought they were drunk, or wait until in the cockpit and then call the cops on them.

I had a Question like that on my Commercial Oral, My answer was to have him/her call in sick or call him/her in sick.


I guess it was the moral character part of the PTS.


Another question was a funny one!

Q: Say your on a over night your captain and you decide to go out to dinner and your captain shows up in a dress? What would you do?

 

[aussiefly]

I had a Question like that on my Commercial Oral, My answer was to have him/her call in sick or call him/her in sick.


I guess it was the moral character part of the PTS.


Another question was a funny one!

Q: Say your on a over night your captain and you decide to go out to dinner and your captain shows up in a dress? What would you do?

Hhahahah how did you answer it ??? I'd probably tell him that his legs looked bad in that dress and to maybe try some lycra legins lol.

Is it just a question to see how accepting of others you are ???

 

[NW_Pilot]

I understand what you are saying and I agree with it. But you cant go around accusing people of an "up coming crime". Why not stand in front of a gun shop, and when a gun buyer comes out tell him you want to stop him from killing someone before he actually does. You will probably get your ars kicked. Believe me, I am one of the cops (and TSAs) biggest critics, but you cant go accusing people for stuff like that.

That being said, maybe the TSA people could make a statement like, " hope your not planning on flying in that shape". Now, the TSA has not "accused" the pilot of anything, but instead given a verbal warning, and the pilot can get in charge of his future.

You’re talking about 2 totally different things!!!! If you see someone staggering/stumbling out of a bar and cannot possibly drive home that’s time to strike up a friendly conversation and snag some keys or flatten a tire and call the person a cab hell maybe even pay for it and place a note some place so the person will know in the morning what happened! (They will usually be thankful and usually repay the cab fare) But, don’t let them get in the car drive away and call the law that’s being a dick head ************************* rat that doesn’t deserve to suck my air or any other person’s air and is a candidate for retroactive abortion.

 

[NW_Pilot]

Hhahahah how did you answer it ??? I'd probably tell him that his legs looked bad in that dress and to maybe try some lycra legins lol.

Is it just a question to see how accepting of others you are ???

I asked is the captian male of female? End of question!

 

[Snakum]

Q: Say your on a over night your captain and you decide to go out to dinner and your captain shows up in a dress? What would you do?

A more important question is 'Do you allow him to lead when ya'll dance?' imp:

 

[Fugawe]

Can't believe this thread is mostly pilots who've commited vast amounts of time and resources to the profession.

Where is the support for the pilot? Many posts assume guilt immediately.

Perhaps the pilot was guilty -- but where's the 'innocent until proven' part?

Pilots cause many of their own problems with the TSA. But.....the TSA is not manned by the most stable, productive members of society. There is animosity towards crew members present at checkpoints (again, much is caused by crewmembers).

Point is, you have some bad apples in the TSA who'd love to tube a pilot's career and will cry wolf just to 'one-up' a pilot at a checkpoint. At my airline, we've had several accused of alcohol breath by TSA -- and when checked, blew zero.

First -- don't assume the pilot is guilty.

Second -- we need a recourse against TSA to deter the anti-crew mentatlity (ie, sue for false accusation as in libel and slander)

Third -- show TSA folks common respects due other humans. Do you abuse the order-taker at McDonald's?

Fourth -- if a pilot is found guilty, demand he be crucified for blowing the reputation for us all.


Fugawe

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

Do you abuse the order-taker at McDonald's?

Not until I get her alone at my place. imp:

 

[time builder]

There's a lot of whistle blowers in SLC, I worked at ORD for two weeks without a SIDA badge with no issue, but you wouldn't last five minutes on the ramp in SLC without one. There's just too many cops, ops guys, vigilante' airline workers etc. in SLC that don't see a lot of action and are itchin' to bust someone. I wouldn't be surprised if this guy was under the legal limit.

 

[kevdog]

in SLC that don't see a lot of action and are itchin' to bust someone. I wouldn't be surprised if this guy was under the legal limit.

Are you suggeting the fine folks in SLC discriminated against this pilot because he is not a mormon?

 

[big_al]

maybe some people mistake being drunk for being extremely tired

 

[kevdog]

maybe some people mistake being drunk for being extremely tired

The blowanator never seems to.

 

[time builder]

Are you suggeting the fine folks in SLC discriminated against this pilot because he is not a mormon?

More like a lot of Mormons don't know what a drunk looks like, just a lack of experience, but they've heard stories, and this guy fit the description. LOL

 

[FN FAL]

More like a lot of Mormons don't know what a drunk looks like, just a lack of experience, but they've heard stories, and this guy fit the description. LOL

Once again, what makes you think the pilot was drunk?

If you are someone who becomes "drunk" at .04, you and my wife can go do "girl friend" things together, because you definitely are flaming or sit down to pee.

 

[A Squared]

is an A/L-300 type rating a herk?

so hes a mil dude, eh?
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An L-300 is a C-141

Third -- show TSA folks common respects due other humans. Do you abuse the order-taker at McDonald's?

Uhhhh, not that I abuse TSA people, nor advocate that, but that respect thingy goes both ways. I don't abuse the order taker at mcDonalds, but if that order taker acted like many TSA idiots do, I would d@mn sure complain to the manager, and a McDonalds order taker that acted like a TSA person wouldn't last long, even at McDonalds.

 

[niteflyr]

July 10th, 2006 @ 7:39am
(KSL News) A Southwest Airlines co-pilot will be arraigned today, after what was nearly a case of flying drunk.
Flight 135 was scheduled to leave Salt Lake International Airport for Phoenix eary yesterday morning. Instead, the flight was delayed while the FBI arrested co-pilot Carl Fulton of Texas.
Security screeners say they smelled alcohol on Fulton's breath and alerted the FBI.
When Fulton entered the cockpit, agents arrested him and gave him a breathalizer test. Authorities wouldn't reveal exact test results, but they did say Fulton's blood alcohol level exceeded the federal limit of .04. Fulton will be charged with operating a common carrier under the influece of alcohol or drugs. If convicted, he could spend up to 15 years in jail.


And PLEASE don't use this as another excuse for a bash Mormons thread....Irrelevant!

 

[Gobi Gred]

12 hour bottle to throttle rule for 121 operators is coming sooner rather than later I think.

 

[A Squared]

12 hour bottle to throttle rule for 121 operators is coming sooner rather than later I think.

Perhaps, but will it do any good? Pure speculation here, but I think it's likely that this guy was in violation of the laws that already exist. In the case of the America West pilots in Florida, it's pretty clear that they were in violation of the 8 hour rule. So how would making the rule stricter help?

It's sort of like lowering the legal BAC level for driving to 0.08%. (and before any of you get started, I am not advocating or excusing drunken driving) It just seems to be taken on faith that lowering it is a good thing, and will make our world safer. Me, I'm skeptical, and I am of the mind that we should have good reasons backed up by fact before we make any laws more restrictive. So my question is: How many accidents are caused by drivers with a 0.08% or 0.09% BAC? I know this isn't scientific, but I don't *ever* recall reading about a fatal accident where the driver had a 0.09% BAC. Seems to me like they are generally .185 or .231 or some number a long way from 0.08%

If the drivers that are causing the problems are .15% or more, then how does lowering it from .10% to .08% make things safer?

Getting back to the topic at hand, if the problem pilots are already drinking within the current 8 hour time limit, then how will extending the time limit solve the problem?

 

[FN FAL]

Perhaps, but will it do any good? Pure speculation here, but I think it's likely that this guy was in violation of the laws that already exist. In the case of the America West pilots in Florida, it's pretty clear that they were in violation of the 8 hour rule. So how would making the rule stricter help?

It's sort of like lowering the legal BAC level for driving to 0.08%. (and before any of you get started, I am not advocating or excusing drunken driving) It just seems to be taken on faith that lowering it is a good thing, and will make our world safer. Me, I'm skeptical, and I am of the mind that we should have good reasons backed up by fact before we make any laws more restrictive. So my question is: How many accidents are caused by drivers with a 0.08% or 0.09% BAC? I know this isn't scientific, but I don't *ever* recall reading about a fatal accident where the driver had a 0.09% BAC. Seems to me like they are generally .185 or .231 or some number a long way from 0.08%

If the drivers that are causing the problems are .15% or more, then how does lowering it from .10% to .08% make things safer?

Getting back to the topic at hand, if the problem pilots are already drinking within the current 8 hour time limit, then how will extending the time limit solve the problem?

Eliminate crime, raise the Federal BAC to .08. It seems kind of funny that you can drive your car to work on the instrumentalities of interstate commerce, pump import/export regulated fuel in your car and drive your NHTSA/EPA regulated car to work with a .079 BAC, but if you jump in a plane, you go to prison if you're more than .039999 BAC.

 

[NoahWerka]

Until the Northwest crew got caught in, what '97-'98?, the reported incidence of flight crews drinking on duty was almost non-existant(not that they didn't, it was usually taken care of in house). After the Northwest crew got caught, any and everybody that has been caught or even suspected of drinking, since then is a complete moron. I would not want them flying the airplane I am riding on. If they don't have enough sense to CYA, much less not even drink in the aviation enviroment,and, under the kind of scrutiny that was brought upon flight crews by that incident, how do they have enough sense to fly an airplane? There has been several pilots that have been caught and deservedly so. But, everybody should be given the benefit of the doubt until proved guilty.

 

[FN FAL]

Eliminate crime, raise the Federal BAC to .08. It seems kind of funny that you can drive your car to work on the instrumentalities of interstate commerce, pump import/export regulated fuel in your car and drive your NHTSA/EPA regulated car to work with a .079 BAC, but if you jump in a plane, you go to prison if you're more than .039999 BAC.

I guess they busted him at .02. Is that something new? I thought .04 was the limit? According to the news, he blew a .039 and a lower number on the second try.