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We just recalled all of our Pilots and the word is that they are going to be hiring for a class very soon so it would be a great time to get a resume in. In the past we had a variety of experience levels , corporate guys, fo's at the turbo-prop regionals, furloughed majors etc. The bases are Allentown, Fort Lauderdale, Orlando and St.Petersburg. FO pay starts at 42 an hour with a 70 guarantee your are suppose to get a 10 percent pay raise the second and third year but as for the time being all pay raises have been frozen. I'll call them today and see what the fax number they are currently using for resumes then I''ll post it up.
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don't bother with that place!! id rather be unemployed...i know a few who have quit because of the FAA scrutiny and poor working conditions...not to mention the low pay......days off at outstations i believe....very unprofessional opereation. save your ticket from being yanked and look elsewhere!!
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Concur!
Went down to Largo for their initial training in a cramped Comfort Inn Conference room. The company policy and regulation training was like sticking a fork in your eye every day. Once systems training started, you had to look across the room at a 32" T.V. for a lackluster Power Point presentation that left much to be desired. Most of the folks there were old timers only 10 years from retirement, except for the First Officers who were mixed. The entire time during training the FAA had a rep to monitor everything! Apparently, someone had already filed a complaint. Before I got there, they had around 10 Captains up and leave! How many are willing to do that during this market? It's bad, and words won't describe it accurately, I left because my career and ratings are my lifeblood, and after what I witnessed at administrative training and sim checks, I noticed this company had no inhibitions of gundecking paperwork and qualifications. They even passed a First Officer who crashed on his ILS approach, reached for the gear handle on the Captains request for push back checklist, and couldn't keep the glideslope within 2 degrees! The company's is a class A mishap waiting to happen. So do some more investigating, maybe they have changed, but I doubt it.
Concur!
Went down to Largo for their initial training in a cramped Comfort Inn Conference room. The company policy and regulation training was like sticking a fork in your eye every day. Once systems training started, you had to look across the room at a 32" T.V. for a lackluster Power Point presentation that left much to be desired. Most of the folks there were old timers only 10 years from retirement, except for the First Officers who were mixed. The entire time during training the FAA had a rep to monitor everything! Apparently, someone had already filed a complaint. Before I got there, they had around 10 Captains up and leave! How many are willing to do that during this market? It's bad, and words won't describe it accurately, I left because my career and ratings are my lifeblood, and after what I witnessed at administrative training and sim checks, I noticed this company had no inhibitions of gundecking paperwork and qualifications. They even passed a First Officer who crashed on his ILS approach, reached for the gear handle on the Captains request for push back checklist, and couldn't keep the glideslope within 2 degrees! The company's is a class A mishap waiting to happen. So do some more investigating, maybe they have changed, but I doubt it.
SEAL
Admittedly I am the Sergeant Schultz of the airline industry..."I know nothing." However, last winter my mother-in-law told me she was thinking about flying SEAL from ABE to FLA. I went to aviationinterviews.com to check what type of reviews were there...what I found (below) made me laugh...and since I actually like my mother-in-law we quickly changed her ticket to another carrier.
(from www.aviationinterviews.com website)
Interview experience:
Do yourself a huge favor and stay away from here, even if you are on furlough! This place is an affront to the piloting profession. Each day of ground school was filled with more bad news about how we could expect to be treated. Manuals were not complete. We've done numerous revisions already. Ground training is unprofessional. The owner even told us on the first day that if we didn't like non-sched. on demand type flying, we should start looking for another job. It used to be that everyone was based at PIE, so you could live here in the Tampa area which was nice. If you lived somewhere else, they would buy you a ticket to get where the plane was. They deal with Apple Vacations, so the planes are all over the place along the Northeast. Ratty DC-9's and 2 MD80's. But then they decided to squeeze even more blood from a stone by coming up with ghost bases. Overnight, they changed everything. Now the bases will be PIE, CLE, PHL, ABE, FLL, BWI, EWR. You will be responsible for getting yourself there and they can change these at any time. They did away with all the multi-day trips and instead made them into long out and backs so they don't have to pay per diem. That's right, they don't pay per diem unless you stay overnight somewhere, which is non-existent! Still don't know where we'll be based. When asked about parking passes at these bases, they said that we would probably have to pay for those. Somebody asked we he would have to cover PHL if he was based at BWI...answer was "it's only a 3 hour drive". Yeah, well it would be in your personal car too. Plus you'd have to pay for parking at PHL. They hire captains off the street. If you upgrade, you do not carry your seniority into the captain seat...you start at the bottom of the captain list. Nice huh? They do not pay for hotel rooms during training. What we saw of the schedules, they are an abortion. How about flying 6 days in ACY, 1 day off, then another 4. My friend who has been working there for a few months told me that once he had just finished a 4 day trip. You have to call them when the trip completes to see if they have anything else for you. He had the next 5 days off. They told him to go home and get a change of clothes because they were assigning him a 5 day trip on his days off. 2 of those 5 were days spent sitting in a hotel room somewhere (this was before everything went to all out and backs). The company counted those 2 days in the hotel as days off! These people think that reserve means you have to be available 24 hours a day with no designated 8 hour break. One day off within 7 days to them means any 24 hours free of duty. Yet they can split that 24 hours into pieces. They even think they can schedule you to fly 9.5 domestic hours in a day if they put a relief captain on board. This place is a walking violation. No wonder most of the pilots hate it here. This place is Lucifer's realm. So stay away unless you want to plunge yourself into hell.
Admittedly I am the Sergeant Schultz of the airline industry..."I know nothing." However, last winter my mother-in-law told me she was thinking about flying SEAL from ABE to FLA. I went to aviationinterviews.com to check what type of reviews were there...what I found (below) made me laugh...and since I actually like my mother-in-law we quickly changed her ticket to another carrier.
(from www.aviationinterviews.com website)
Interview experience:
Do yourself a huge favor and stay away from here, even if you are on furlough! This place is an affront to the piloting profession. Each day of ground school was filled with more bad news about how we could expect to be treated. Manuals were not complete. We've done numerous revisions already. Ground training is unprofessional. The owner even told us on the first day that if we didn't like non-sched. on demand type flying, we should start looking for another job. It used to be that everyone was based at PIE, so you could live here in the Tampa area which was nice. If you lived somewhere else, they would buy you a ticket to get where the plane was. They deal with Apple Vacations, so the planes are all over the place along the Northeast. Ratty DC-9's and 2 MD80's. But then they decided to squeeze even more blood from a stone by coming up with ghost bases. Overnight, they changed everything. Now the bases will be PIE, CLE, PHL, ABE, FLL, BWI, EWR. You will be responsible for getting yourself there and they can change these at any time. They did away with all the multi-day trips and instead made them into long out and backs so they don't have to pay per diem. That's right, they don't pay per diem unless you stay overnight somewhere, which is non-existent! Still don't know where we'll be based. When asked about parking passes at these bases, they said that we would probably have to pay for those. Somebody asked we he would have to cover PHL if he was based at BWI...answer was "it's only a 3 hour drive". Yeah, well it would be in your personal car too. Plus you'd have to pay for parking at PHL. They hire captains off the street. If you upgrade, you do not carry your seniority into the captain seat...you start at the bottom of the captain list. Nice huh? They do not pay for hotel rooms during training. What we saw of the schedules, they are an abortion. How about flying 6 days in ACY, 1 day off, then another 4. My friend who has been working there for a few months told me that once he had just finished a 4 day trip. You have to call them when the trip completes to see if they have anything else for you. He had the next 5 days off. They told him to go home and get a change of clothes because they were assigning him a 5 day trip on his days off. 2 of those 5 were days spent sitting in a hotel room somewhere (this was before everything went to all out and backs). The company counted those 2 days in the hotel as days off! These people think that reserve means you have to be available 24 hours a day with no designated 8 hour break. One day off within 7 days to them means any 24 hours free of duty. Yet they can split that 24 hours into pieces. They even think they can schedule you to fly 9.5 domestic hours in a day if they put a relief captain on board. This place is a walking violation. No wonder most of the pilots hate it here. This place is Lucifer's realm. So stay away unless you want to plunge yourself into hell.
Unfortunately all of the above statements are true. However, there is a new sheriff in town. The old POI was extremely accomodating to the company. After an FAA shake down a new POI was assigned and has done a remarkable job of staightening up this place as far as legality matters go. This place will never be a place you want to hang your hat for a carreer. The employees are on the bottom of the priorty pole so it seems that we are always getting the shaft. I was in truck driving school after being furloughed from a major when they gave me a Captain's slot so I'll always be grateful for that. Just the same though I'm trying like hell to get out. You have to have a lot of integrity and moxy to work here. You have to watch your back and not be afraid to stand up to the powers at be even if it does mean your job. So no I would'nt suggest this job to anyone only the strong and the brave and only for the shortest possible.
For those of you that are still interested, We no longer work for apple vacation, we have our own non-scheduled (that happens to run 2-3 times a day seven days a week) to ABE,EWR, SWF,FLL,SFB,PIE, GPT. We have 4 DC9's ,2 MD82's and 2 MD88's. All in all I can't complain about the maitenence or the condition of the ships. Just because the DC9 are old does not make them junk. Its a very proven bird that will always be around in some form or the other ie. 717's. Thats the reason Midwest Airlines still holds onto the oldest fleet of them, if it were'nt for public perception on aging aircraft, they probally wouldn't be replacing them either. But hey, us Americans have got to get a car every four years to replace our piece of junk in the drive right?
Thanks for all of your honest and true inputs ,if I were at a reputable regional I'd stay where you are at. But if nobody will give you a job and you are tired of driving a truck were hiring.
For those of you that are still interested, We no longer work for apple vacation, we have our own non-scheduled (that happens to run 2-3 times a day seven days a week) to ABE,EWR, SWF,FLL,SFB,PIE, GPT. We have 4 DC9's ,2 MD82's and 2 MD88's. All in all I can't complain about the maitenence or the condition of the ships. Just because the DC9 are old does not make them junk. Its a very proven bird that will always be around in some form or the other ie. 717's. Thats the reason Midwest Airlines still holds onto the oldest fleet of them, if it were'nt for public perception on aging aircraft, they probally wouldn't be replacing them either. But hey, us Americans have got to get a car every four years to replace our piece of junk in the drive right?
Thanks for all of your honest and true inputs ,if I were at a reputable regional I'd stay where you are at. But if nobody will give you a job and you are tired of driving a truck were hiring.
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Not that this reflects on the Sun emloyees such as pilots and flight crew, I'm sure there great people who have no control over management.
Being from the area around ABE I have a few relatives/friends who tried them and all (3 people on at least 2 diff. occasions) had problems. It seems as if they don't have enough people on a flight they cx it and wait until the load is good before they fly the flight.
Last week I was at ABE twice on a sked. overnight (thank you ALG management for closing a rather useful base, a$$holes) and both times I showed there were sunking pax about to lynch the gate agent(s) at the end of the terminal.
Again not bashing sunking pilots or other employees just relating my stuff. Its not like U has never screwed over a pax or anything.
PS - speaking of operations like this you should get aload of the things TMA is pulling up here in SYR. Boy I've seen some pissed of pax at the north end of the SYR airport on my way to and from the employee lot.
Being from the area around ABE I have a few relatives/friends who tried them and all (3 people on at least 2 diff. occasions) had problems. It seems as if they don't have enough people on a flight they cx it and wait until the load is good before they fly the flight.
Last week I was at ABE twice on a sked. overnight (thank you ALG management for closing a rather useful base, a$$holes) and both times I showed there were sunking pax about to lynch the gate agent(s) at the end of the terminal.
Again not bashing sunking pilots or other employees just relating my stuff. Its not like U has never screwed over a pax or anything.
PS - speaking of operations like this you should get aload of the things TMA is pulling up here in SYR. Boy I've seen some pissed of pax at the north end of the SYR airport on my way to and from the employee lot.
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