Sorry Folks

[DAS at 10/250]

we should buy the CJ4

Please, I beg of you, no more Cessna crap on property.

 

[jonjuan]

Please, I beg of you, no more Cessna crap on property.

You mean those 15 year old Yultras aren't doing it? Well, look at the bright side, at least you have the BJ....

 

[jtf]

I hope we go with the Phenom 300 for our next light jet. I know that they weren't chosen before because of mx support concerns, but Embraer has been opening service centers and getting lots of independent mx centers certified to work on their products. I have flown Lears and Citations and the only advantage to the Citation is the short field performance. They break all the time and they are just not made to take the rigors of flying more than a few hundred hours per year. From what I understand the Embraer was made for the fractionals to be more reliable and it is supposed to have pretty awesome performance for a light jet. I thought the EMB-145 was way too brittle when I flew it before, but it was a tank compared to the Cessna products.

For once I have to agree with JonJuan, even though it is another swipe at NetJets. The Ultras are freakin' old and need to be retired yesterday. They did their job well to build the company, but their time has come and gone. If NetJets wants to be the best, it needs to do better than 10000 hour+ Ultras.

 

[snoopy14]

For once I have to agree with JonJuan, even though it is another swipe at NetJets. The Ultras are freakin' old and need to be retired yesterday. They did their job well to build the company, but their time has come and gone. If NetJets wants to be the best, it needs to do better than 10000 hour+ Ultras.[/QUOTE]


Am I missing something, the Ultras have been in disposal for some time now.

 

[jtf]

Yes, they are in disposal, but they should be gone. There are still around 30 on property. They are concentrating on selling airframes from the other fleets. I believe we will still have Ultras in our fleet for another 2 or 3 years at least. That is not providing the best.

 

[Hung Start]

Why can't people just accept the fact that, even today, we are still a good place to work and that most of us are still happy. Flex, flops, shares (air), xo, avantair.. All have just as good pilots as us.. You chose those places while we chose nj. The shoe can be on the other foot in a heartbeat. Why the hell can't we all just hope to make it through this and recall all of our pilots in the near future. To hell with what some jealous airline dude (general lee) says or thinks. Many of us have worked for the airlines and have actually lived both sides. I take it lee has only lived the airline side. That's too bad..

Spot on.

Hung

 

[727C47]

seven days gone at a stretch took some getting used to,but NJA rocked,and apparently still rocks, as a place to hang ones aerial hat.

 

[Hogprint]

Yes, they are in disposal, but they should be gone. There are still around 30 on property. They are concentrating on selling airframes from the other fleets. I believe we will still have Ultras in our fleet for another 2 or 3 years at least. That is not providing the best.

You are correct they will be with us for at least three more years. They still fill a role in Marquis flights and for those owners that still need a light jet for short trips that can carry the groceries. There will always be a need for entry level jets in the company.

Not to mention that most of them have been repainted and interiors redone (most not all, so save the sharpshooting) so they are still very serviceable aircraft and are fine for the mission they're doing.

I could easily see it stretched to five years more service depending on the economy and fleet appropriation.

 

[RNObased]

So your point is what?

Money doesn't matter? I don't have time to go to the restaurant IN THE FBO? I suffered so now I'm entitled?

How can you possibly justify a crew meal in KLAS when the restaurant is inside the FBO? Let's see, you can order a turkey sandwich crew meal to be delivered 2 hours before you land and let it sit around (maybe in a fridge, maybe not), or you can order a FRESH sandwich at the restaurant and eat it hot.

One costs $50 and one costs $6. One is fresh and the other sat around for God knows how long.

You do realize you are arguing for the side that wants the $50, sat around meal verses the $6 fresh meal right?

The same question could be asked of you. "What is your point"?? You are talking about a FBO that most NJA guys have only been to a hand full of times, hell I have been flying biz jets in and out of LAS for close to 20 yrs now and didn't even know there was a restaurant there.

I would love to stop and get a fresh sandwich, however most days I don't have the time to stop and have a real meal. Thank god the catering in LAS is ok.

 

[cherry20's]

No more restaurant there anyway... It was closed down last weekend I think.

 

[glasspilot]

I wasn't trying to focus on KLAS in particular. Any FBO with food in it or across the street serves the point.

You have to admit that a large percentage of the time getting your own food, even if reimbursed, would be WAY cheaper and hardly as much effort as going through the crackberry menues to order the crew meal.

Just an observation and opinion rolled into one.


Flysafe and stay nurished,
gp

 

[gutshotdraw]

You have to admit that a large percentage of the time getting your own food, even if reimbursed, would be WAY cheaper and hardly as much effort as going through the crackberry menues to order the crew meal.

No, I don't because you would be, um, wrong. It takes two minutes to order a crew meal on the gadget, negotiated prices with the caterers are cheaper than you think, and every time I think we'll have a couple of hours somewhere or an early out to the hotel, a new trip pops up. An ILS to mins after a pop-up four hour leg is no place to be suffering from low blood sugar.

 

[sshrae]

No, I don't because you would be, um, wrong. It takes two minutes to order a crew meal on the gadget, negotiated prices with the caterers are cheaper than you think, and every time I think we'll have a couple of hours somewhere or an early out to the hotel, a new trip pops up. An ILS to mins after a pop-up four hour leg is no place to be suffering from low blood sugar.

Good post, but I think no matter what you say he wont listen. This guy is a netjet hater who will say whatever he can to try to make nja look bad. I feel sorry for him and the others.

 

[jonjuan]

No, I don't because you would be, um, wrong. It takes two minutes to order a crew meal on the gadget, negotiated prices with the caterers are cheaper than you think, and every time I think we'll have a couple of hours somewhere or an early out to the hotel, a new trip pops up. An ILS to mins after a pop-up four hour leg is no place to be suffering from low blood sugar.

Cmon, we hope you are smarter than that. 3 Myoplex bars in your flight bag will solve the "low blood sugar at ILS mins" after a 4 hour pop up. 99% of the rest of your flights, you should be OK with long call crew meals.

 

[CRJFlyer]

An ILS to mins after a pop-up four hour leg is no place to be suffering from low blood sugar.

A wee bit overdramatic ehh?


But I agree, McKy D's and BK do not suffice as crew food. And I can only eat Subway soo many times a week. And a sit down dinner is prob. out of the question. So crew food it is..

BYW I'm still pissed that it was reduced to 2 meals a day.. Not looking forward to that if we ever get the chance to get back.

 

[glasspilot]

Good post, but I think no matter what you say he wont listen. This guy is a netjet hater who will say whatever he can to try to make nja look bad. I feel sorry for him and the others.

Hey, lighten up Francis. I'm no NetJet hater. I have friends there and want us all to do well. Go ahead and get the $50 crew meal. I have a different opinion on what's right and vocalized that here on a public forum. Doesn't quite qualify me for Hittler status does it?

 

[gunfyter]

Glass,

We do not get time off to go get something to eat.

You have to order your crewfood the night before. And no matter wht they tell you the schedule for tomorrow will be ... it more often than not bears little resemblance to what you actually end up doing.

You get all your meals for the day before your first trip and carry it with you. You can consume them enroute or in an FBO at one of your stops if you have time.

If you have standby at the FBO ... you may not leave to get something to eat. You have to be ready to depart quickly for pop up trip.

The reason we have crew food is because pop up trips came so often ... people went without food. You were told you had 3 hrs on the ground at one of your stops and you could get something then. But as soon as you landed the 3 hrs turned into 30 minutes and you had nothing to eat.

 

[gutshotdraw]

BYW I'm still pissed that it was reduced to 2 meals a day.. Not looking forward to that if we ever get the chance to get back.

Despite what the "Black Helicopter" conspiracy theorists think, that WASN'T a company decision. That was straight from the IRS. And frankly, it was a correct ruling on their part (go figure). You can still order four meals (only three in our case) but you will pay taxes on the per diem for that day.

As for being overly dramatic, it was just to make a point that Gunfyter subsequently made in better fashion.

And Glass, where do you KEEP getting this $50 number? It's nowhere close to that.

 

[sshrae]

Hey, lighten up Francis. I'm no NetJet hater. I have friends there and want us all to do well. Go ahead and get the $50 crew meal. I have a different opinion on what's right and vocalized that here on a public forum. Doesn't quite qualify me for Hittler status does it?

Whatever, I notice a trend not just on this thread. Never said you were hitler, just said you hate nja. Who cares about the crew meals, they are making money again and people are still ordering them.

 

[CRJFlyer]

Glass,

We do not get time off to go get something to eat. You do if you request it. If your crew food didn't show up for some reason, or if it was not edible. y al means tell scheduling your heading out for a bite.

You have to order your crewfood the night before. And no matter wht they tell you the schedule for tomorrow will be ... it more often than not bears little resemblance to what you actually end up doing.True

You get all your meals for the day before your first trip and carry it with you. Sometimes. But sometimes I wanted something from a better location. If things changed, I called ops and informed them I'd be needing a meal pronto at the next stop. Generally I'd carry some meals throughout the day, but not always.

If you have standby at the FBO ... you may not leave to get something to eat. You have to be ready to depart quickly for pop up trip. again, I'd advise that if there is no crewfood availible, you are allowed to go get something. All it takes is telling ops that your hungry and need something to eat.

The reason we have crew food is because pop up trips came so often ... people went without food. You were told you had 3 hrs on the ground at one of your stops and you could get something then. But as soon as you landed the 3 hrs turned into 30 minutes and you had nothing to eat.

I know you know all of this, but it sounds as if your schedulings bitch. Which your not and shouldn't be. Hungry, eat. If you want a hot meal, tell scheduling you need a few extra minutes to have a sit down heated meal at the FBO. (Falcon is obviously a different animal with the microwave.) Have owner services inform pax if need be.

again there was a time I'd be willing to forego meals, fly hungry/tired if it was required to get the job done...Needless to say, not anymore. (well upon my return anyway).