Somethings up at ASA

[Brasilia Flyer]

ASA Wins Mexico Routes



Delta Connection carrier Atlantic Southeast Airlines won exemptions to carry out Delta's push in the Los Angeles-Mexico market (DAILY, June 7), while Alaska Airlines won an exemption to compete with Delta head-on in the Los Angeles-La Paz market.
The U.S. Transportation Dept. awarded ASA exemptions to serve Culiacan, Hermosillo, La Paz, Loreto, Manzanillo, Mazatlan, Torreon and Zacatecas from Los Angeles, as well as authority to carry Delta's code on ASA's flights. The department deferred award of the Los Angeles-Los Mochis exemption, saying it was waiting for "necessary security clearances."
ASA would use its 50-seat Bombardier CRJ-200s or 70-seat CRJ-700s to fly the nonstop service in the markets year-round.
Alaska already operates service in the Los Angeles-Loreto/ -Manzanillo/ - Mazatlan markets. The exemption for Los Angeles-La Paz will grow the rivalry to three markets. Alaska's service will launch on Oct. 30, with the carrier operating three weekly flights year-round with Boeing 737-400s. ASA's Los Angeles-La Paz service, meanwhile, will launch Dec. 1.

 

[ReportCanoa]

Slow day at the office?

 

[John Pennekamp]

CRJ 200s OR -700s. Hmmmm. Thought this was going to be a 50 thing. Yes, something's fishy.

 

[sleepy]

Try living in LA on ASA pay, that should be interesting.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

Scuttlebutt is, they working with Delta trying to find a way to work the planes into the system without a new base. I hope the new contract keeps the 100% deadhead pay because I see alot of it in your future there.

 

[SKYW Pilot]

Try living in California on Skywest pay! Congrats on the new flying.

 

[rjcap]

Scuttlebutt is, they working with Delta trying to find a way to work the planes into the system without a new base. I hope the new contract keeps the 100% deadhead pay because I see alot of it in your future there.

How many times have you DH'd to start a trip and your DH flight was delayed or even better - canceled.


More stupidity.

 

[USCtrojan]

Mexico

Scuttlebutt is, they working with Delta trying to find a way to work the planes into the system without a new base. I hope the new contract keeps the 100% deadhead pay because I see alot of it in your future there.

I was talking to some people a few days ago. I was told ASA loves how the Cincy stuff is going with all the deadheading going on (don't ask me how). I was also told the mechanics in SLC were told originally they would be needed an additional 6 months. Now I'm told they've been asked to stay indefinitely. None of this confirmed, just scuttlebutt.

Awhile ago, while on the 'ASA' conference call, LAX base was brought up by an individual pilot. The Union's stance was that ASA wanted nothing to do with an LAX base due to labor laws and such in CA. Strange things are afoot at the ASA!

Trojan

 

[sweptback]

I was talking to some people a few days ago. I was told ASA loves how the Cincy stuff is going with all the deadheading going on (don't ask me how). I was also told the mechanics in SLC were told originally they would be needed an additional 6 months. Now I'm told they've been asked to stay indefinitely. None of this confirmed, just scuttlebutt.

Awhile ago, while on the 'ASA' conference call, LAX base was brought up by an individual pilot. The Union's stance was that ASA wanted nothing to do with an LAX base due to labor laws and such in CA. Strange things are afoot at the ASA!

Delta just uploaded their Fall schedule. With minor changes it looks like ASA retains most of the SLC 700 flying.

First routes of the CR9 for SkyWest are SLC-RNO, SLC-BNA, SLC-YYZ. Both BNA and YYZ would be good jumping-off points into the ATL system, yet that doesn't seem to happen. Looks like those CR9s were needed in the SLC system after all.

 

[ReportCanoa]

The Union's stance was that ASA wanted nothing to do with an LAX base due to labor laws and such in CA. Strange things are afoot at the ASA!

Watch to see ASA come up with an alter-ego airline based in LA. They'll fly through the ATL system. They can name it "Orale ESE"

 

[USCtrojan]

New Cities

Delta just uploaded their Fall schedule. With minor changes it looks like ASA retains most of the SLC 700 flying.

First routes of the CR9 for SkyWest are SLC-RNO, SLC-BNA, SLC-YYZ. Both BNA and YYZ would be good jumping-off points into the ATL system, yet that doesn't seem to happen. Looks like those CR9s were needed in the SLC system after all.

Funny thing is one of our Union Reps spoke to Skywest's POI and the POI had stated there was no 900 program at Skywest as of yet. I was under the impression putting a program together was no easy task, minimum say of 6 month lead time.

Also, just doing some random checking on the system shows ASA going to Vancouver, pulled out of MSO/BIL but still hanging on to Bozeman. Another tidbit was that apparently ASA is to start losing 1 aircraft (cr7) per month starting Oct. (This from Skywest ramp). Nothing makes sense. But should it?

Trojan

 

[cbrown1]

Lets hope this keep those crJ-700S at asa. But what is to stop Skywest from taking that flying from ASA and having it done by skywest?

 

[PSPFAWILL]

They are 900's and the program is almost developed.

 

[ReportCanoa]

Also, just doing some random checking on the system shows ASA going to Vancouver, pulled out of MSO/BIL but still hanging on to Bozeman. Another tidbit was that apparently ASA is to start losing 1 aircraft (cr7) per month starting Oct. (This from Skywest ramp). Nothing makes sense. But should it?

Trojan

ASA will probably continue to do some -700 flying as it will take time to transfer airplanes to SkyWest. Hope they enjoy the "new" rides...

 

[USCtrojan]

Skywest

ASA will probably continue to do some -700 flying as it will take time to transfer airplanes to SkyWest. Hope they enjoy the "new" rides...

I can't believe the Skywest pilots are going to fly a 900 at 50 seat rates. That to me is crazy.

Trojan

 

[Rogue5]

I can't believe the Skywest pilots are going to fly a 900 at 50 seat rates. That to me is crazy.

You are not alone...

 

[USCtrojan]

More shizzle

Delta just uploaded their Fall schedule. With minor changes it looks like ASA retains most of the SLC 700 flying.

First routes of the CR9 for SkyWest are SLC-RNO, SLC-BNA, SLC-YYZ. Both BNA and YYZ would be good jumping-off points into the ATL system, yet that doesn't seem to happen. Looks like those CR9s were needed in the SLC system after all.

Also I was told that Delta wants ASA to take over the Eagle flying out of LAX for Delta Connection. Tutt and the other GO people said all flying will be done out of ATL. I was looking up the schedule for what cities Eagle flies. Some 20 flights a day from LAX to SAN and back. Around 10 flights to San Jose. 8 to Santa Barbara, etc. That to me seems like a logistical nightmare trying to get all that flying done when originating out of ATL, including Mexico and any new cities.

Shuttle America, is being kicked out of SLC and LAX as of Sept.1st? It may be Oct. 1st. BNA, RNO were both Shuttle America's routes. I was told that when Shuttle America originally bid on the flying, they didn't include the gate cost. Somehow they made it through and were awarded the flying. A lot of gaps in what is going on. I hope we can get some answers soon!

Trojan

 

[Headfake14]

ASA Wins Mexico Routes



Delta Connection carrier Atlantic Southeast Airlines won exemptions to carry out Delta's push in the Los Angeles-Mexico market (DAILY, June 7), while Alaska Airlines won an exemption to compete with Delta head-on in the Los Angeles-La Paz market.
The U.S. Transportation Dept. awarded ASA exemptions to serve Culiacan, Hermosillo, La Paz, Loreto, Manzanillo, Mazatlan, Torreon and Zacatecas from Los Angeles, as well as authority to carry Delta's code on ASA's flights. The department deferred award of the Los Angeles-Los Mochis exemption, saying it was waiting for "necessary security clearances."
ASA would use its 50-seat Bombardier CRJ-200s or 70-seat CRJ-700s to fly the nonstop service in the markets year-round.
Alaska already operates service in the Los Angeles-Loreto/ -Manzanillo/ - Mazatlan markets. The exemption for Los Angeles-La Paz will grow the rivalry to three markets. Alaska's service will launch on Oct. 30, with the carrier operating three weekly flights year-round with Boeing 737-400s. ASA's Los Angeles-La Paz service, meanwhile, will launch Dec. 1.

I was under the impression all the new Mexico cities were gonna be 70s...given the new EOW thing and all. Perhaps I ASSumed incorrectly.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

...They'd probably remain close enough to land during the whole flight to not warrant an OWE.

By the way, I'm not going to believe that ASA is going to be doing these routes, until I see it in a bid packet.

 

[ReportCanoa]

The only time they'll be offshore is departing LAX and the Gulf of California.

 

[SkyNation]

from VP's update today:

"[FONT=&quot]Beginning in September we take delivery of our first CRJ-900’s. Two aircraft will go into revenue service in September, two in October and two in November. At the same time we will begin transitioning the Delta Salt Lake City based CRJ-700 flying to SkyWest Airlines."

doesn't say how much or how soon

"[/FONT][FONT=&quot]In combination, turnover and growth will require that we hire a minimum of 290 pilots before the end of 2006. Between new hire, upgrade and transition training we will train 824 pilots over the next 6 months"

FWIW
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[ReportCanoa]

Well, looks like the -900 at -200 rate is going to be a good deal for SkyWest pilots. Enjoy.

 

[shamrock]

I'm not going to believe that ASA is going to be doing these routes, until I see it in a bid packet.

Bingo.

 

[outtahere]

From Scott Halls mouth in recurrent, the 900's went to Skywest because the E170's performance was lacking on the long haul flights out of SLC. No new base in LAX because Delta is not sure how long they will stay in the LAX to Mexico business. It is all about revenue at this point and Delta is trying to find it anywhere they can. SH also said he was optomistic that a contract would be done soon with no pilot paycuts. ASA does need to trim overhead but they are looking elsewhere like giving up the GO in favor of the Delta north hanger or the Northwest hanger on the southside. Also we will probably start parking at either of those locations and ASA will supply a bus to the airport. In other words goodbye lot 3. All in all Scott didn't seem to be your typical mgmnt. used car salesman like Brian Laliar, but who knows if anything he said was true. Bottom line believe it when you see it. One last point, he was made aware that we don't trust them at all, and he said they knew that and were trying to change that. First step was to make our jobs easier and reduce the amount of crap we have to carry. In my opinion money talks and B.S. walks, we'll see if they talk.

 

[Headfake14]

From Scott Halls mouth in recurrent, the 900's went to Skywest because the E170's performance was lacking on the long haul flights out of SLC. No new base in LAX because Delta is not sure how long they will stay in the LAX to Mexico business. It is all about revenue at this point and Delta is trying to find it anywhere they can. SH also said he was optomistic that a contract would be done soon with no pilot paycuts. ASA does need to trim overhead but they are looking elsewhere like giving up the GO in favor of the Delta north hanger or the Northwest hanger on the southside. Also we will probably start parking at either of those locations and ASA will supply a bus to the airport. In other words goodbye lot 3. All in all Scott didn't seem to be your typical mgmnt. used car salesman like Brian Laliar, but who knows if anything he said was true. Bottom line believe it when you see it. One last point, he was made aware that we don't trust them at all, and he said they knew that and were trying to change that. First step was to make our jobs easier and reduce the amount of crap we have to carry. In my opinion money talks and B.S. walks, we'll see if they talk.

Was that RGT from today after the vote results?

 

[twott driver]

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"[/FONT][FONT=&quot]In combination, turnover and growth will require that we hire a minimum of 290 pilots before the end of 2006. Between new hire, upgrade and transition training we will train 824 pilots over the next 6 months"


48 newhires a month? Wonder if they will be able to find that many people prepared to put up with all this crap?
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[Turkey Shoot]

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"[/FONT][FONT=&quot]In combination, turnover and growth will require that we hire a minimum of 290 pilots before the end of 2006. Between new hire, upgrade and transition training we will train 824 pilots over the next 6 months"


48 newhires a month? Wonder if they will be able to find that many people prepared to put up with all this crap?
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TSA is still furloughing. Believe me, when you come from a place like that, anywhere is a breathe of fresh air by comparison.

 

[ASADriver]

TSA is still furloughing. Believe me, when you come from a place like that, anywhere is a breathe of fresh air by comparison.

Don't let some of these guys hear you. There are some here who think ASA is the absolute worst place on earth. It's good to see guys like you come here - you add some perspective to this place.

 

[Tomct]

Watch to see ASA come up with an alter-ego airline based in LA. They'll fly through the ATL system. They can name it "Orale ESE"

I don't care WHO you are, THAT IS FUNNY!!!:laugh:

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Don't let some of these guys hear you. There are some here who think ASA is the absolute worst place on earth. It's good to see guys like you come here - you add some perspective to this place.

What do you say about the guys that have come from other airlines that are better off than ASA and want to improve things here?

Are we the worst? No, but we have much to improve on, don't you think?

Hell, there must be some reason you went out and got a 737 type rating, right?????