Socialist Nirvana

[Timebuilder]

Secks, we also lost a lot of Orthopedic guys and OB-Gyn docs, too.

 

[rettofly]

Re: Oh! I get it now!

<<countries whose economies run almost solely on service jobs. These countries produce very little>>

...You mean just like the United States after that Commie Clinton and the Marxist Congress endorsed NAFTA and shipped all of those well-paying manufacturing jobs overseas?

Riiiigggghhhhtttt.
Ya, sure you betcha.

To hear the current crop of Dem/Lib wannabees tell it, it was all Bush's fault that jobs are going offshore. They depend on the ignorance and short memory of the American electorate. Otherwise, how would "idiot" Bush have been able to switch from "hiding behind the war to ignore the economy" to "hiding behind the economy to ignore the war" in two short weeks. I'm almost starting to feel bad for the Democrats...NOT!

 

[rettofly]

Re: Fair question; I'll play.

successful socialism

Let's have a vote: Is this the all-time oxymoron?

 

[DC4boy]

Mar, get in the left seat, then come talk to me!!

 

[Timebuilder]

...and then invite me along for the flight!!!

 

[fr0g]

hey bart -
from your own sig.
"Life is not fair, and it isn't supposed to be..."
from your post I assume that you are in the top somewhere, well let me tell you something - I work my @ss off and don't make sh!t because I am at a commuter airline. I am certainly not lazy. If you don't like the tax system, why don't you go live in the United Arab Emirates, I believe there is no income tax there

 

[bart]

Well Frog, since you want to get personal with me, I will with you. You are getting paid exactly what YOU have DECIDED you are worth. Obviously, you put a low value on your time, whereas I do not. You have made a very poor economic decision and are choosing to blame it on your employer, rather than take responsibility for voluntarily accepting a low-paying job.

Perhaps if you had chosen to take a job that requires more skill or requires you to shoulder more responsibility, you would be getting paid more, but you didn't. You chose to work for slave wages and bitch about it. If you do not agree with this, then please share the description and caliber of the gun your boss used to force you to take the job you have. Or the stick-up artist at the flight school where you spent what would have bought a good college education for flight training.

You knew what you were signing up for, and now you have it. Don't blame the guy writing your check... you volunteered for it. I would never call you lazy, because I have no way of knowing whether you are or not. I will tell you that if you thought you were going to get rich flying for a living, then you ARE ignorant.

 

[Timebuilder]

If you don't like the tax system, why don't you go live in the United Arab Emirates, I believe there is no income tax there

Or, stay here and reform the tax system. Nothing is more American than that.

"No taxation without representation" was the phrase. Still a good idea today.

 

[LR25]

Perhaps if you had chosen to take a job that requires more skill or requires you to shoulder more responsibility, you would be getting paid more, but you didn't.

How much more skill does it take to handle an "airliner" than "commuter" airplane?

Just wondering.

Please continue.

 

[bart]

Perhaps the words are "skills that are more difficult to acquire".

 

[LR25]

Perhaps the words are "skills that are more difficult to acquire".

I still don't understand.

 

[bart]

I am stating that the skills of flying an aircraft are easily transferred and do not require a great deal of creative and innovative thought to have a successful outcome, where higher paying jobs generally do require the consistent development of new skills and individual innovation.

 

[CitationLover]

that is why pilot jobs are blue and not white collar jobs.

 

[Timebuilder]

How much more skill does it take to handle an "airliner" than "commuter" airplane?

I've always wondered about that.

Doesn't the requirement of greater time and experience for the "airliner" job indicate that a higher skill level is what the operator is looking for in a pilot?

 

[LR25]

I've always wondered about that.

Doesn't the requirement of greater time and experience for the "airliner" job indicate that a higher skill level is what the operator is looking for in a pilot?

Yes, the requirements dictate this, but I'm refering to Barts post bashing someone becuase they make $25,000 at a regional becuase that is the profession he chose to do. But to get to a major airline, we all have to take this step.

So my question to bart is, what is your point?

 

[bart]

LR25

You are a big boy, go back, read carefully and you will see I am not bashing his DECISION to make $25,000 a year. I am bashing him for bitching about it like it is someone else's fault.

I also stated that flying is an easily replicated skill that is fairly easy to learn, unlike high level financial management.

Before you ask for another clarification, read it three or four times slowly to make sure you dont skip a word and confuse yourself.

 

[fr0g]

bart,
I agree that is is *my* decision to work for a commuter. It is a necessary sacrifice to make to get to where I would like to be. I don't think that I was bitching about it. I was merely pointing out that just because I don't make a lot of money does not make me "lazy" or a freeloader. What I fail to comprehend is how you can expect me to pay that same amount in taxes as someone making 200k a year. If you look at our national budget, and divide it by our country's population, you get a average contribution of about $25,000 per person per year. Now.. that is actually more than I made last year. So.. I should be paying all of my earnings towards taxes?? what would I eat? where would I live??
maybe the government should regulate all wages so everyone makes enough to pay taxes
I really don't understand what you are suggesting we do. Should everyone have a job where they make 100k a year?? Also - did you just "fall" into that wonderful career that you have - did *you* ever pay your dues? Maybe you just got a great job after you got out of school - well more power to you. However, more likely, you probably had to pay dues like everyone else. I'm sure you had times in your life where you were making less than you would like to achieve a higher goal in the future. You would think that someone who has been there would have more understanding of what "paying dues" entails. My post was not meant to be a personal attack on you - I was merely directing it towards you since you started the thread. While it seems like everyone has a different view, it would be interesting to see what suggestions people would have for a *new* tax plan. I don't think that the "flat tax" is really possible.
Take care

 

[capt_zman]

fr0g,

you shouldn't pay the same taxes as someone who makes 200k per year, but you should pay the same percentage.

200,000*20% = 40,000
25,000 * 20% = 6,250.

look who paid more taxes, but now the taxation level is even. the way it should be.

 

[LR25]

Bart

Dont you see, you are bashing thousands of hard working folks out there, becuase you say they are getting a free ride.

Then you personally attack someone becuase they fly for a commuter.

But I get it now, instead of frog getting a cubicle job and working up the corporate ladder, he decided to fly.

Yeah, its not that glamourous, but the office window sure is alot better, and eventually the payoff will come his way.

A bad day in the air, is still better than a good day on the ground.

Thanks for clearing this up.

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

LR25


I also stated that flying is an easily replicated skill that is fairly easy to learn, unlike high level financial management.

Ouch! Here I was thinking I'm a real Hot Stick and now I've been brought down to reality. I guess since I'm in management that means I can walk and chew gum at the same time . If it were that easy then the minimum quals would be lowered (granted since there are more high time pilots available companies can raise the quals). I've seen some decent leaders/management folks in my time but I've seen plenty of jerks as well. Comes down to skill and character. Unfortunately, it is hard to find both.