So Will ASA Reservists Continue To Be Thrown Under The Bus

[centralpilot]

Off topic, but this thread title is misleading. I thought this would be allegations of mistreatment of ASA pilots who serve in the military. I've never heard the term "reservist" applied to a reserve pilot before.

 

[Flybywire44]

ASA has a Rec QOL subcommittee because many pilots at ASA anticipated stagnation scenarios. ie 200 reductions, more regional competition and ASA management's willingness to short-staff.

Contact your Reps and the Res QOL SubCom if this RES QOL is important to you—they do care.

 

[Medeco]

Please don't listen to Management scare tactics, it's contract negotiations 101.

Thats the best reaction you have?

Why dont you tell me where exactly Im wrong, and show me an example of a contract company like ours who is growing.

Standing by...

 

[pilotkppsg]

Thats the best reaction you have?

Why dont you tell me where exactly Im wrong, and show me an example of a contract company like ours who is growing.

Standing by...

Colgan, skywest. By all means tho, go easy on mgmt and sign their first offer, then come on here and complain about the new Porsche you saw a VP drive off in from the hq with his bonus money.

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

Thats the best reaction you have?

Why dont you tell me where exactly Im wrong, and show me an example of a contract company like ours who is growing.

Standing by...

What he's trying to say is EVERY contract company is under the threat of bad future prospects... while they're in negotiations. Even at the Majors, managements tell the pilot groups that the company CAN'T be profitable if we give you this and that in your contract.

The problem is so many of the things we want in the contract really don't cost them any money, it just forces them not to abuse the living crap out of us while we're on reserve. Ready reserve is a perfect example... Why can't we have language that prohibits scheduling from having any more than 2 crews sitting at the airport at any one time? That doesn't cost them a penny but does prevent schedulers from putting 5 sets of crews there just because they can (and yes, I've seen them do that before).

Another example, do away with the sign in requirement we have at ASA. Doesn't cost the company a penny, but lets commuters go straight from their arriving gate to their first working flight when they're tight on time.

I could go on and on but you should get the point by now.

One last thing, if the language isn't tighter than what we have had, anything we do get is worthless. If I see one example of "at the company's discretion" in the new contract, it will be an easy NO vote for me.

Sorry, rant over...

 

[Medeco]

Colgan, skywest. By all means tho, go easy on mgmt and sign their first offer, then come on here and complain about the new Porsche you saw a VP drive off in from the hq with his bonus money.

Colgan? Really? They are "like" the new ASA/XJT???

The new Mesaba still isnt close, and the combined company and new contract is still short in many ways to both ASA and XJT's contracts that are now old.

Whats the long term future of the Saab at Mesaba/Pinnacle?

Skywest is a better example, but still falls short of ASA/XJT in many ways.

Whats the long term future of the EMB120 at OO?


I NEVER said we shouldnt negotiate and fight for things that are important, and I agree on many QOL factors that cost the company nothing.

I said its a very fine line, and our company must be able to make money at the same time.

It is the nature of the beast in the Regional model, like it or not.
I dont like it, and Ill get out asap if/when possible.

One last thing, you wont get from reading the USAtoday, our WORLD economy is on the brink, and we will do well to come out of it with only a little bit of shrinkage in the entire airline industry.
America is in a recession again, and you had better hope it doesnt go deeper this time.

Go ahead and shoot for the stars.

 

[drinksonme]

Medeco,

While I understand your stance, I just can not agree. Think of it this way, who told you the company will not be profitable if they give us a good contract? What do they consider profitable? Where do the profits go? Using the buzz word of profitability is worthless without substance. Let me be blunt with you. The company is telling you and feeding you this information. Be directly or indirectly through the union. Seems like a conflict for the same people that are telling you about profitability, are also the ones controlling the profitability. Now, what are they disclosing? Are you seeing how much of the profit is going to management? Is there info on how much profit is going to SKYW Inc shareholders? Can you see where they have controlled cost and created profitability? Have they ever, ever, tried to control cost and profit with measure other than taking from the employees and infastructor of the company? This is something to take home when you get the standard speech on profitability. Remember, the data they are disclosing comes from people on the inside. People they pay a lot of money to for making the data look the way they want it. Remember they are paying gobs of money to lawyers and professional negotiators, money equal to that of multiple pilots or employees, to push what they want. Here is what I think about. When a management officals talks about cost and profits, I always wonder if they have given up anything. I wonder if they have to tell their families that Christmas will not be so great this year. I also think about FO's, that are professionals, that have a net pay of less than $20,000 this year. I wonder have they ever told a shareholder 'hey we need to take care of the employees in order to facilitate a better operation, in the long term creating a better product. In order for us to have a profit, and take care of employees your profits will be less this year and maybe a few years to come." See SWA if you do not think that is real. SWA takes care of employees (aside from the current AAI situation on SLI), in turn the employees take care of the product and customers, and the customers then take care of the profits and the shareholders. Complete opposite everywhere else. Shareholders and execs first, then customers, and IF enough is left, the employees. Any wonder why no one cares about the company or its success? Why moral is low and trust is gone?

What you see is not always the full story. So, with that, if it up to the pilots to make the airline profitable, then fine. Management is not needed then since we as group do their jobs. Lets us operate the company and control the cost, since the only tool they have is to pry it off labors back. That is University of Phoenix online business school skills. Not impressive nor compelling

 

[pilotkppsg]

Go ahead and shoot for the stars.

And you shoot for the ground and see if you don't blow your foot off.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Medeco,

While I understand your stance, I just can not agree. Think of it this way, who told you the company will not be profitable if they give us a good contract? What do they consider profitable? Where do the profits go? Using the buzz word of profitability is worthless without substance. Let me be blunt with you. The company is telling you and feeding you this information. Be directly or indirectly through the union. Seems like a conflict for the same people that are telling you about profitability, are also the ones controlling the profitability. Now, what are they disclosing? Are you seeing how much of the profit is going to management? Is there info on how much profit is going to SKYW Inc shareholders? Can you see where they have controlled cost and created profitability? Have they ever, ever, tried to control cost and profit with measure other than taking from the employees and infastructor of the company? This is something to take home when you get the standard speech on profitability. Remember, the data they are disclosing comes from people on the inside. People they pay a lot of money to for making the data look the way they want it. Remember they are paying gobs of money to lawyers and professional negotiators, money equal to that of multiple pilots or employees, to push what they want. Here is what I think about. When a management officals talks about cost and profits, I always wonder if they have given up anything. I wonder if they have to tell their families that Christmas will not be so great this year. I also think about FO's, that are professionals, that have a net pay of less than $20,000 this year. I wonder have they ever told a shareholder 'hey we need to take care of the employees in order to facilitate a better operation, in the long term creating a better product. In order for us to have a profit, and take care of employees your profits will be less this year and maybe a few years to come." See SWA if you do not think that is real. SWA takes care of employees (aside from the current AAI situation on SLI), in turn the employees take care of the product and customers, and the customers then take care of the profits and the shareholders. Complete opposite everywhere else. Shareholders and execs first, then customers, and IF enough is left, the employees. Any wonder why no one cares about the company or its success? Why moral is low and trust is gone?

What you see is not always the full story. So, with that, if it up to the pilots to make the airline profitable, then fine. Management is not needed then since we as group do their jobs. Lets us operate the company and control the cost, since the only tool they have is to pry it off labors back. That is University of Phoenix online business school skills. Not impressive nor compelling

What was ASA's profit margin back in 1998? What is it now? I'll take rough numbers, but let's use facts, not mindless union rhetoric....

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

What was ASA's profit margin back in 1998? What is it now? I'll take rough numbers, but let's use facts, not mindless union rhetoric....

...and right on cue, here comes JoeMerchant, rushing to management's defense.

 

[Nevets]

There should be some kind of language that protects someone from being selected for RRR a 3rd time when he is in the same 2 day bucket as the next guy (who has 0 RRR assignments so far) just because the first guy has 2 hours less credit than the later.

The RRR bucket should go by Days Available => CMF +> # of RRR already served => Then by credit hours. (or something with this principle in mind)

Now your turn to tell me why this is a bad idea

At XJT, you can't do two days in a row, or the last day of your block of reserve days, or more than 6 days in a bid month.

 

[JoeMerchant]

...and right on cue, here comes JoeMerchant, rushing to management's defense.

Would you like to answer the question? You would rather just ignore reality and continue to thump your chest....Doesn't it hurt by now?

 

[Medeco]

...and right on cue, here comes JoeMerchant, rushing to management's defense.

Its not a management defense, its based on reality if you pay attention to all the factors.

Go try to run your own company where you hire a handful of people, in an industry with minimal margins and tell us how well you pay your employees.

Ive done it. Have you?

 

[Medeco]

And you shoot for the ground and see if you don't blow your foot off.

Deep thoughts...

 

[Data]

What was ASA's profit margin back in 1998? What is it now? I'll take rough numbers, but let's use facts, not mindless union rhetoric....

For 2010, with only a few months of XJet on the books, SkyWest Inc reported $90 million in net profits for 1.5 million block hours...or $60 an hour. With a full year of Xjet on the books and the renegotiated rate from Delta we can expect that number to be substantially lower for 2011. $60 an hour folks. There isn't much room in there for pilot pay, period.