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xanderman

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Can anybody really tell me what they truely think of flight options? Talked to a buddy who only has second hand knowledge of the operations and he seems to think that options sucks. Bad mx or something. Also you basically have to kiss everybodys butt just to not get fired. Please can someone get me the real info! I have submitted a resume and desperately want to know the truth behind it all...
Andy:D
 
now that's the definition of flame bait..........................
 
Hi!

We do exactly the same thing FltOps does, except we have boxes instead of people. I see them a lot at a lot of the places we fly.

I have asked quite a few pilots at FltOps how they like it. 1 guy said he liked his major airline better (he is furloughed), but it was a decent job. That was the most negative thing I heard from anyone.

It sounds like NetJets is better organized, but at the present time I believe FltOps pays more-if/when NJ gets their new contract done, they will be paid more.

I would gladly fly for FO. (I applied 2 years ago and never heard back. I was not in a flying job at the time.) They have excellent equipment. I haven't heard anything negative about their MX.

Cliff
GRB
 
Fine, I'll bite. It's probably been covered 20 times already in the Options vs. Netjets never-ending battle. MX is good. If it's broken, write it up where you sit. If it's a grounding item, it'll be fixed. Otherwise defer it and it'll be fixed within a day or two.

You don't have to kiss butt to keep your job. Don't do anything stupid and don't say anything stupid, you'll be fine.

This job isn't a major airline job. You will throw pax luggage, you will give them a safety briefing if they want one, you will give them water and a glass of ice if they ask (before the flight). It's more work than an airline job, but it's much more diversified as well. You'll fly to every state in the lower 48 in your first year. If your buddy went to Redmond last tour, you'll know in what state it is located and you'll also know the lady he picked up. Our pay isn't major airline pay, but we can survive. Granted, a payraise would be nice, but that will come with time.

Fractional flying is fun unless you are stuck in the Northeast. Even then it's fun trying to get out. Most of all, the pilot group at Options makes the job. You won't work with a better group of folks than at our place. There's a few bitter pilots here and there, but fewer and more far between lately (personal experience). Overall, I'm happy here and I think that's the general concensus. I have several friends from Options who frequent this board, and I dare say they'd agree. If you are trying to get on board, best of luck. It's a pretty good gig.
 
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Options

I have been with Options for almost three years, never had any problems with MX at all and I have never had to kiss any butt! Most everyone is very friendly and happy, but of course we have a few whinny babies that will never be happy. You can live on the pay and its not that bad, better than most places. I am very happy here and I think if you talk to most pilots you will hear about the same. Good luck trying to get on, I know we are still hiring some.

Fly Safe......
 
A few FO questions:

1. How many King Airs are still flying and what are the King Air plans going forward with the Premiers coming on line? Will the King Air stay or will it be phased out? When will the Premiers enter the fleet - and how many are expected?

2. When a newhire is hired, is he/she placed in a fleet based on total time or experience? For example, would a high-time pilot be placed in a Falcon 50 or Challenger vs. a King Air or Beechjet?

3. How is the Citation X program going? How many more do you expect to add to the fleet? Is it a popular fleet among the pilots - I would love to fly it if given the opportunity.


Thanks
 
Thank you...

Thanks to the folks who took the time to get me good info. Yes I'm seriously trying to get on there. But as always I worry about ending up somewhere I'd rather not be. I have an airline background and I am unsure how it all works with customer service and all. As I'm sure you know we just basically sit upfront and do our thing. Right now I'm flying for an outfit that is a little more corporate style but still modeled after a small airline. Just out of curiosity how long to upgrade and can you get hired in to a medium or heavy airplane? Do you work on a seniority list? Well anyhow thanks to all the guys with the good stuff...
Andy:D
 
Heavy and Andy-

1. Don't know the exact number of King Airs flying right now. Probably in the neighborhood of 13-15ish. It sounds like the King Air is here to stay, we have some extremely dedicated owners. They'll still be around when the Premier comes online. Rumor has it first Premier will show up in July, and we will take one per month for an indefinite amount of time. We have many shares sold in the airplane, but I don't think a number has been announced on how many will make up the fleet.

2. When a new-hire is placed into a fleet, it will be in the King Air or the small cabin jet fleets. Typically if you have no jet experience you'll go into the King Air. If you have previous jet time, you will probably go into the CJ or Beechjet. There has been a few (I think four) new-hires into the Hawker or III lately, but there's been an uprising at the company and our D.O. probably won't let it happen again. In theory, they try to keep everything on a seniority based system. Even if you are a retired whale captain, you'll still be hired into the right seat of our smallest cabin fleet.

3. I think the X program is going well, as they are still around. Not much is said about the program so I don't know many details. It was announced several weeks ago we will have a few more coming on property within a month or two, so they must be selling shares. Don't know too much about it though. We would all love to get our dirty hands on one.

Hopefully this answered a few questions. If any of you other OPT guys have any corrections/additions, please chime in. G' luck.
 
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So as originally posted... "What's the Skinny"... What's the skinny on the hiring situation?

Is FLOPS currently running any new-hire classes and are they interviewing at all?
 
Far as I know we had a class of 15 this month. Not sure about the rest of the year. I think we are still hiring though. It seems the only way to get in is to have a friend on the inside though.

Good Luck
 
Dep676,

Any idea which aircraft the newhires are being placed in? Is it scattered or are most going into a particular type?

Thanks
 
Thanks to Joe!

Thanks for the info! But one other question remains. I was informed by a friend, whom I do not consider to be in the know, that Flightoptions was in financial trouble. Does anyone have info on this or is this guy out in left field? Something about stretching the purse strings while buying RTA. I don't mean to sound negative. I'm just looking for the facts.
Andy:D
And a big thanks to Joe the Challenger Capt. who took the time to answer my questions at Mather field in Sacramento...
 
As far as what aircraft the new hires are going into. I know a while back they put a few in the Hawker and CIII. That didn't go over real well with some. So I don't think that will happen again. We are going to be keeping the King Air's also. I would suppose any new hires would go into any one of the small cabins. The KA, Citation Jet, Citation II/V, Beechjet or the Premiers when we start getting them. It seemed like it depended on your back ground and their needs at the time they do the hiring.

Now as far as having financial trouble. I am not sure that is the case anymore now. Raytheon put in a new CEO and have taken controlling interest. I would doubt that we are in to bad of shape since we are suppose to get 15 airplanes over the next 60 to 90 days. That is just my opinion. I know companies will still buy during rough times. I just don't think we are as bad as we were at the beginning of the year before the new CEO. I know there are some out there that might disagree with me but I don't think we are in bad shape.

Hope this helps and good luck. Keep trying and sending your resume. You know what they say the squeaky wheel gets the grease. It took me two years.
 
Do any options pilots want to be my friend? I think I would be a good candidate for the King Air, and am getting near the minimums.
 
jergar999 said:
...near the minimums.

dam man, where the heck are you working to have collected all those types in less than 1,000 hours?

...or is it not really what it appears to be ;)
 
wingnutt

First of all, DON'T STOP RUNNING! The clowns got me last year, it was horrible. This is my second 135 SIC job. The first flew SA227's and 1900's (freight), this one I fly BE90/10/20's with real live complaining people in the back. I also do some very part time flying for a company that has two 414's. The only reason I got into turbine equipment with such low time was that I had worked line for two years while finishing my private, and impressed the owner enough that he agreed to check me out in the Metro and 1900 when I finished my tickets. It didn't pay much, but with a current 8410 and some letters of rec I managed to get my current job.
 
Re: wingnutt

jergar999 said:
This is my second 135 SIC job.

okee dokee...thats what i thought ;)
 
Flight Options is Hiring

Options is hiring. New hires usually begin in the small cabin class aircraft: Beechjet, King Air 200, Citation Jet, Citation V series.

Only one occurance in the last year of new hires going to mid size (Hawker 800XP) cabin class. Unlikely that it will happen again for a long time. Usual pilot progression is small cabin biding up as seats open. Very slow now.

Resumes are flooding in. The application process is accomplished on line now. If you submitted a resume via other means, suggest that you re-submitt.

As usual, resume acceptance does NOT equal interview. Literally thousands of resumes in the system. The will call pile is huge.

No set schedule for interviews. Some times once a week and sometimes once a month depending on need. Not much attrition now. Hiring is for new acft coming into the system. Latest word is 15 more acft in the sytems by mid June.
 
Well, these two stories sure make for an interesting read in the same newsletter... (From today's AINonline)

May 22, 2003

Beech 1900D Maintenance, Weight Focus of Hearing
The Air Midwest Beech 1900D that crashed after taking off from Charlotte-Douglas International Airport in North Carolina on January 8 killing all 21 persons aboard, was the victim of both improper maintenance at a Raytheon Aerospace facility and being over gross weight, according to the NTSB. At a two-day hearing this week, the Safety Board described how a contract mechanic had left too much slack after adjusting the control cables, preventing full control movement of the elevator, and how the actual weight of the twin turboprop was probably nearly 300 pounds over gross, although the crew estimation of 100 pounds under gross was calculated using the FAA’s then prescribed estimates of passenger and baggage weights. Immediately after takeoff the airplane pitched up into a nose-high attitude before it stalled and crashed. The pilots probably could have compensated for the higher weight and being slightly tail heavy, the Safety Board said, but they were unable to lower the nose because of the misadjusted cable. The ill-fated flight was the ninth since the cable maintenance was performed two days earlier, but it was the heaviest and the first since the maintenance in which the load was slightly tail heavy.

Raytheon To Provide Flight Options Maintenance
Flight Options, the second-largest fractional operator behind NetJets, and Raytheon Aircraft Services (RAS) reached an agreement under which RAS will provide all of the maintenance for the operator’s entire fleet. The deal will make Flight Options RAS’ largest customer. RAS will provide the maintenance at more than 20 service centers and additional facilities dedicated to Flight Options maintenance. Under the agreement, all Flight Options mechanics will become RAS employees. The deal initially is for five years and represents a $400 million investment by RAS, according to Flight Options. Of the company’s more than 200 airplanes, about 75 percent are Raytheon Aircraft models. Average age of the Flight Options fleet is nearly 10 years, the oldest average of the three largest fractional providers, according to a recent survey.
 
Wasn't exactly Raytheon Maintenance.

Raytheon subcontracted all the maintenance at that base to an outfit called Smart. Those were the guys who actually botched the tail job. Hopefully FO's contract with Raytheon won't allow lowest bidder subcontracting like Mesa does.
 

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