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FOPA? Faux Paux.

Putting false information in your application for an airman medical certificate is falsification. Doing so with the intent to deceive to obtain privileges or gain, is fraud. Fraudulent Falsification in this case could go beyond FAA sanction; it can result in fines and imprisonment. This is more than a case of weather or not you are "screwed." It is a serious matter, and it is something you should NOT be discussing outside the walls of your attorney's office.

Get off your computer right now, and call an aviation attorney. Period.

With respect to the discussion regarding background checks and other pertinent information (NDR history, etc), don't get complacent thinking that a "statue of limitations" will protect you or hide your history. Not all agencies report to the FBI, but where criminal history is reported, and pulled in your "III" (NCIC III, or "triple eye") report, it's permanant. It isn't expunged, it isn't deleted, it isn't removed, and it doesn't go away with time.

Not all agencies report to NCIC. I was in law enforcement, and I also held a qualification to do checks, and enter data. I spent a lot of nights in dispatch, and held dispatchers certification...I ran a lot of criminal history checks, departmental background checks. I entered data in the NCIC system, sent and retrieved things at the state level with various bureaus of criminal affairs (BCI).

A DUI received at the local level may or may not get reported. Not all municipalities report all information...and up until a few years ago, not all states were part of the Drivers License Compact. It's very possible for someone to have committed an act, even a felony, that isn't reported. A thorough check will go back to locals and do wants checks, histories, check neighbors, girlfriends, relatives. For a security clearance, yes. For a PRIA check, no.

You should obtain your own NDR report to begin with. You should complete a background check on yourself. See what employers and the FAA is seeing. Obtain a NDR report. Visit your local police department and request a NCIC and III (criminal history) check. See what others see. Contact the municipality,, county, and state in which your arrest took place. See what each one is reporting. There will be a slight fee...but you shouldn't make any more applications or signatures until you have that information in hand.

If there is no record of your mistakes, then you should still seek counsel with an attorney. Most likely the attorney will advise you to proceed and not worry about the past; it's buried. But don't take that counsel from anybody but your own, paid attorney. If anything turns up (and from what you've posted, there's a good chance it will), you'll definitely need the attorney.

Don't feel insulated by "statutes of limitations." Don't feel insulated by the FAA's "stale complaint rule." You've deonstrated a history of willfull fraudulent misrepresentation; this is not administrative in nature; it's criminal, and may be prosecuted in that manner. It's not even a matter of giving up flying...at this point it's something you had better deal with, and you cannot do that without the guidance of a qualified, competent attorney.

Another problem you may encounter is that the FAA computerized the airman medical application system. Formerly, the paperwork was mailed by the physician to the FAA; now it's entered by computer. Any discrepancies on the form from previous years usually result in either a suspension or revocation of the medical certificate pending a soloution. The way that usually works is that you leave the medical office with your certificate in hand, and weeks or months later you get a notice from the FAA notifying you that you have a problem.

As it stands right now, you're looking at the automatic revocation of your medical certificate and any and all airman certificates held, with your inability to apply again for a year, if any of this comes to light. Your only choice, and your only chance is to handle this via an attorney who is familiar with the process. I strongly urge you to pursue that path without delay. What you do NOT want is for the FAA or a federal prosecutor to begin action first. You handle it proactively, and things will be far better for you.

Seek the reports on your own, and bring them with you to meet with an attorney. Your situation may well be salvagable, but not unless you seek counsel soon. Good luck!
 
"This sounds like the person that an airline would like to hand a an airplane and 54 lives, yeah right why don't you apply for C.E.O. you have the right morals."

Ha ha...that is so true ;)

Seriously though, too bad you lied from the get go....I know two people that have had DUIs in the past. One is now at Airtran and one at SWA. With the competitive nature of the industry right now, I think it would slow down your job search but you wouldn't be "screwed". What screwed you is dishonesty...not the DUI.

Good luck!
 
What a bunch of self-righteous jerks...If this judging is any indication you all are primed to fall flat on your face in the near future.
 
Vandal said:
What a bunch of self-righteous jerks...If this judging is any indication you all are primed to fall flat on your face in the near future.
Self-righteous? This guy has been the recipient of some excellent advice here, namely the need to engage in legal counsel concerning his egregious flasification of government forms. If it had been just an honest mistake (Like the DUI) the tone of the responses might have been a bit more friendly. What this guy has done though, is blatently lie and decieve the organization that issues his pilot certificate as to his medical airworthiness. And he's done it every time he's signed the form! Now he comes forth with some half-baked plan to confess to the feds and pass it off by lying AGAIN, saying that he didn't read the form thoroughly.

Give me a break. This guy is most likely going to get his certificate revoked. He'll be lucky if the feds don't prosecute him criminally, and you're telling us we are judging him unfairly? You play the game fairly Lt., don't you feel the slightest bit upset that someone who didn't is trying to gain the same advantage as those of us who have always told the truth? We have all made mistakes;we're human. The litmus test of what sort of character we have is how we respond to our failures. This guy's response has been to lie, again and again.
 
I don't think the fact that he made a mistake when he was younger has any impact on his ability to fly an airplane. Checkride scores and general flying performance speaks to that.

That said, I don't see it as the end of the world that he left the information out of his application. Who hasn't lied on a resume? It's the same thing IMHO.
 
I have never lied on a resume or job application.
If you have to lie to get a job, the job is probably not worth having.

Start lying and it never stops. "I got away with lying on my resume, fudging the weight below MTOW, offing my departure time a little, is anyone gonna notice a few runway lights I just hit? Naah..."

If you can't be trusted to tell the truth, how do we know you can be trusted with the lives of others?
 
Vandal said:
I don't think the fact that he made a mistake when he was younger has any impact on his ability to fly an airplane. Checkride scores and general flying performance speaks to that.

That said, I don't see it as the end of the world that he left the information out of his application. Who hasn't lied on a resume? It's the same thing IMHO.
Oh that life were so simple. We're dealing with a VERY serious matter here. A matter that if it isn't handled properly (and maybe even if it is) may very well result in his certificates be revoked - not suspended. His flying abilities have nothing to do with the situation that he is in or how he should attempt to extracate himself. This is much more serious than, as you say, lying on a resume - it is an issue which, right or wrong, has cost more than a few good pilots their licenses and therefore their careers.

Personally, I hate to see anyone in his position and I wish him well in his efforts. I'm not one to recommend that he let it go and hope that it doesn't come to light. There is no way that this could be guaranteed and it's probably much better for him get some qualified counsel and come clean. If he thinks it's bad now, what's going to happen a few years from now and he's solidly established in his airline or corporate career.

'Sled
 
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I don't want to fly with anyone who thinks they are above making mistakes. I accept that his is bigger than some but I suspect he lied out of embarsssment or shame without any desire to cheat the system. Hopefully he has learned one of life's great lessons. Sure there has been a lot of good advice, but there has also been a lot of self righteous stone throwing and ill wishing.

DrakeRemoray - Get the lawyer and resolve this garbage with integrity and honesty or it will always follow you and hang over your head. There will be some pain but you'll make it out the other side a happier man. Good luck.
 
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Go find the best Lawyer you can. You will need it when the feds grab this one.

DO NOT apply to any 135 or 121 carriers until you get this taken care of.

100% of the 121 carriers and 99% of the 135 carriers background checks will red flag you and you will lose your certificates.

As has been said by many posters before, you have dug a huge hole for yourself. To be honest, a lawyer is your only chance.

The DUI is the least of your problems now. It is only a matter of time before the FAA finds your secret.
 
Anytime you are in litagation it is best to have an experienced attorney. It is a shame however that pilots and the FAA don't work closely enough or respect each other enough to be able to go and say "Hey....I messed up, I'm sorry...how can I make it right?" Everyone is human and everyone makes mistakes. He obviously wants to right it or he wouldn't have posted. I imagine he is afraid and needs some support right now. No, he may not deserve it but thats grace....right? I hope you get it worked out. Just tell the truth. Its better to miss a job here and there and not have a skeleton in the closet. :cool:
 
DrakeRemoray,

I do not know anything about how the airlines would look at this however,

I work as an insurance agent and anytime we get an applicant for auto insurance we have to run a MVR ( Motor Vehicle report). That report lists all tickets and violations that an applicant has had. There is no restriction as to how far back the system checks or where the violation occured. I have seen info come back that is 15 years or older (that does not mean that the underwriters care but it is still on the report) and just last week a gentleman applied for insurance in my office in Minnesota and we could not insure him due to his driving record. He had just moved from Hawaii to Minnesota (I do not know why, I would move the other way!) and some tickets he got in Hawaii showed up in the system.

I guess my point is that you can never be sure if they will see that DUI or not on a background check. I am not trying to scare you but it is something to keep in mind if you get asked that question again.
Also the system my company use could very well be different from what is used in the aviation community.

Hope this helps and good luck.

Jimmy
 
Vandal said:
I don't think the fact that he made a mistake when he was younger has any impact on his ability to fly an airplane. Checkride scores and general flying performance speaks to that.

That said, I don't see it as the end of the world that he left the information out of his application. Who hasn't lied on a resume? It's the same thing IMHO.
It's been covered, but somewhat incompletely. Our problem isn't the DWI, it's the lying on the medical and his continueing willingness to lie.

And there is a HUGE difference between lying on a resume and lying on an FAA form. The resume will result in you being fired, the FAA form will result in legal action against you.
 
Jedi_Cheese said:
It's been covered, but somewhat incompletely. Our problem isn't the DWI, it's the lying on the medical and his continueing willingness to lie.

Hehe not the actual act itself, but the lying about it...what does that remind me of, a few years back...
 
Repeat after me.... Would you like fries with you order?
 
You know, after reading some of these immature remarks from so called "professionals," I can't help to wonder...How in a world these people ended up in a front of a multimillion-dollar jet with so many people seating behind their backs? I would think I'm surrounded by high school teenagers not responsible adults...



Now, back to the subject....As stated before, get legal help and don't look for answers on this board to such a big problem.
 
Vandal said:
Who hasn't lied on a resume?
Me...and I suspect a bunch of other guys here.

Vandal said:
It's the same thing IMHO.
Well, no, actually it's not. Lying on a resume may get you tossed out of an interview. Lying on a medical application will probably get your certificates revoked and may get you a criminal penalty. Not quite the same thing at all ... not that I'm defending lying on resumes, I don't have to.
 
Fly-By-Cable said:
You know, after reading some of these immature remarks from so called "professionals," I can't help to wonder...How in a world these people ended up in a front of a multimillion-dollar jet with so many people seating behind their backs?

They didn't make false statements on an official government form and have their certificates revoked!!
 
If I was the original poster, I would wait untill after the election.

If Kerry gets in, logic would dictate that the original poster should be able to apply for an amnesty.

However, judging on how many people that have become TEXAS TOAST lately, if Bush stays in office...the orginal poster has a chance of getting a "humpty dumpty".
 
FN FAL said:
...If Kerry gets in, logic would dictate that the original poster should be able to apply for an amnesty...
But would he have to move to Canada first? :confused:

Naw, much simplier to talk to an attorney.

'Sled
 
bottom line is your a F'd......Read the article in last months AOPA about falsification of faa stuff.

Captain got fired and certs revoked for back dating a medical. You have been lying for 3 medicals....

You can kiss your career as a pilot good bye. Goodluck
 
rumpletumbler said:
Whats that? :confused:
There's an article in the current issue of the AOPA Pilot. Bottom line, don't lie on medical applications and other documents. Tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

'Sled
 
Maybe now would be a good time to sign up for AOPA Legal service plans. But read the fine print about preexsisting problems. Might not work. However, I am just guessing.

What a fine line you are riding. If you bow out now you will most likely be fine and never have a problem. However, that means no more flying unless you do that Sportsman class thing.

You could chose to continue falsifing your records and play Russian Roulette.

You could lawyer up and go for broke by telling the truth. That is risky considering the malice you showed in lying three medicals in a row.

Unless you think flying is worth ruining your life over. I would say it is game over for your flying career.

However, you could get a private cosulation from some of these online medical consultation services. I am SURE you are not the first person with this problem. Try this web site www.AviationMedicine.com Costs like 40 bucks.

Good luck with it all.

Wankel
 
Lead Sled said:
There's an article in the current issue of the AOPA Pilot. Bottom line, don't lie on medical applications and other documents. Tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

'Sled
I got that. I was wondering what back dating a medical was??
 
The pilot allegly consipired with his AME to back date the time he took the medical so it appeared he was legal in acting as PIC. They were caught in doing that.

Wankel
 
Wankel7 said:
The pilot allegly consipired with his AME to back date the time he took the medical so it appeared he was legal in acting as PIC. They were caught in doing that.Wankel
So the AME got hammered as well I'm guessing?
 

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