So did I screw myself??

[DrakeRemoray]

Ok here it is fellas,

20 years old, got a DUI in college in 1998. Arrested, finger printed, did not do breath and LIC was automatically suspended for 90 days. Started flying 3 years ago and thought that it was off my driving record. Got my medicals and always checked NO under have you ever been convicted or had LIC suspended. (In all honesty I was scared to put yes.) So now I am applying with regionals. I am going to be totally honest and give them the truth about all tickets and the arrest. Its been 6 and 1/2 years since the arrest so I am hoping that will help. The thing I am worried about now is the fact that I have checked NO on my medical. Should I start checking yes on my next one and if questioned say that I made a mistake on the paperwork and that it should have been checked yes? Basically act as dumb as possible. Tell them I just ran through the medical and checked NO on everything. It was not till someone asked me that I saw it? Yes I know I made a really stupid decision so no need to hammer me on that. Also is this going to effect me getting into the majors having a DUI? Ok let the bashing begin.

 

[Rhoid]

Not getting on with a regional is the least of your problems pal, you are in SERIOUS danger of getting you liscenses REVOKED for LYING on your medical.

 

[Rhoid]

Oh, one more thing, have fun flying your 402 for as long as that lasts till the Feds get ahold of you. Your lying and continued attempts to lie your way out of your mess means that you have no place in professional aviation

 

[banned username 2]

Did I screw Myself?

The short answer to your question: YES

Not getting on with a regional is the least of your problems pal, you are in SERIOUS danger of getting you liscenses REVOKED for LYING on your medical.

I hate to say it but I was thinking the same thing... If it is in fact on your driving record (which I'm sure it is since they suspended your drivers license for 90 days) I'd say you could find yourself in a heap of trouble when the FAA finds this out...

 

[FN FAL]

Ok here it is fellas...
...Also is this going to effect me getting into the majors having a DUI? Ok let the bashing begin.

Ok...ok...ok...ok (it's that Joe Pesci ok thingy) Let me get this straight...you are about to take it up the sphincter regarding falsification of government documents and you're worried about what an old DUI is going to do towards your chances at the MAJORS?

Gawd...I hope your degree isn't aviation based!

You got two ways to ride this thing, and they both require good legal representation and consultation by someone that knows the system inside and out.

Good luck! I will tell you one thing...amnesty, after getting your lie found out during a background check performed by an air carrier, will not exist. You will be done for life.

 

[DrakeRemoray]

Not good.....


Is there any way out of this? I have had 3 medicals already. Why hasnt the FAA already picked up on it? Is it off my record or not, ( statute of limitations?)

 

[satpak77]

Basically act as dumb as possible

You have already successfully done that. Got the DUI in 1998 but "started flying 3 years ago" (heavy on the "started") and now you are flying 135?

Sounds like Rich Kid who daddy paid for all his ratings and let you fly daddy's Baron so you could work for the regionals at age 23.

Now daddy can't get you out of this one, can he.....

Maybe you can be a receptionist at daddy's hospital

Is it off my record or not, ( statute of limitations?)

Dude, watch some more Court TV, you need to educate yourself a little more.
When the cops arrested you, they printed you, those cards are sent to FBI records database as a matter of routine. Those NEVER go away. ALL ARRESTS age 18 and older are on file. CONVICTIONS can be tossed, etc, and statue of limitations only applies to PROSECUTION, not the arrest. It tends to be 5-years for federal law, and the clock begins with the LAST OVERT ACT which the prosecution will be based.

So in your case, the last time you checked "no" on the federal medical application, (last year?), the feds have 5 years from that date to CRIMINALLY PROSECUTE. Let me remind you that the FAR's are ADMINISTRATIVE "laws" and you are not prosecuted but sanctioned, such as license suspension, civil penalty, etc, etc.

In this case, you have successfully set yourself up for career failure.

 

[Best on a Camel]

Ok here it is fellas,

Ok let the bashing begin.

Wrong crowd to say that to!

Remember the truth defends itself.

 

[FN FAL]

Not good.....


Is there any way out of this? I have had 3 medicals already. Why hasnt the FAA already picked up on it? Is it off my record or not, ( statute of limitations?)

If you are in fact a freight dog, you must have gone through a 10 year background check? Is that true?

 

[Jedi_Cheese]

This is something you want to involve a lawyer on. I don't think you are totally scr*wed, but it's most likely going to sting some. Do not screw around with it, because 1) you falsified official documents, 2) you can get your certs revoked and get 'banned' for a while, 3) ATP requires 'good' character and lying on a medical can be an issue (if they decide to press it).

Get this resolved ASAP! If the FAA burns you on it instead of you 'confessing', you will get the book thrown at you.

At the moment, noone is getting into the majors. A DWI isn't a killing flaw but it will take a while of good behavior to overcome.

 

[mmmdonut]

It's not too late for med school....

 

[Jedi_Cheese]

Is there any way out of this? I have had 3 medicals already. Why hasnt the FAA already picked up on it? Is it off my record or not, ( statute of limitations?)

They randomly spot check.

 

[Lead Sled]

Probably not a good position to be in. I have no idea where you stand, but I would strongly recommend that first thing tomorrow morning you get a hold of an experienced aviation attorney and have a heart to heart talk. Don't tell me that you can't afford it, because from a career point of view, you probably can't afford not to do it.

The last thing I'd do is put any amount of credence into any advice from anyone (except from me of course ), one way or the other, on this forum and a matter that is potientially this serious.

Keep us posted.

'Sled

 

[FN FAL]

Probably not a good position to be in. I have no idea where you stand, but I would strongly recommend that first thing tomorrow morning you get a hold of an experienced aviation attorney and have a heart to heart talk. Don't tell me that you can't afford it, because from a career point of view, you probably can't afford not to do it.

The last thing I'd do is put any amount of credence into any advice from anyone (except from me of course ), one way or the other, on this forum and a matter that is potientially this serious.

Keep us posted.

'Sled

But the feds only do spot checks?

 

[FN FAL]

No, I'm sorry. I meant to say "random + spot" checks. The 10 year background checks for air carriers like frieght companies don't count.

 

[English]

The last thing I'd do is put any amount of credence into any advice from anyone (except from me of course ), one way or the other, on this forum and a matter that is potientially this serious.

Best piece of advice ever given on this board.

Get some professional assistance.

 

[LJDRVR]

...Got my medicals and always checked NO under have you ever been convicted or had LIC suspended. ...Should I start checking yes on my next one and if questioned say that I made a mistake on the paperwork and that it should have been checked yes?

Retain a lawyer. The FAA will attempt to revoke your certificate for falsification of of your 8500-8. Your concern is not getting a job, it's keeping your certificates. Get a lawyer.

"Whoever in any manner within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States knowingly and willingly falsifies, conceals or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact, or who makes any false, fictitious or fradulent statements or representations, or entry, may be fined up to $250,000 or imprisoned for not more than 5 years or both (18 USC sections 1001;3571")

As far as your plan to escape revocation and possibly prosecution by lying to the feds AGAIN, are you serious? Are you really this "naive"?

SEEK LEGAL COUNSEL!

PS- No offense, we've all been young and stupid, but what you've done is dishonest to the extreme, and those of us who fly for a living would not want to share a cockpit with someone without any integrity. "Gee, he says he did the preflight..." A DUI is not a show stopper. Lack of integrity and judgement are.

Good Luck keeping your certificates, you're gonna need it!

 

[wingnutt]

...but "started flying 3 years ago" (heavy on the "started") and now you are flying 135? Sounds like Rich Kid who daddy paid for all his ratings and let you fly daddy's Baron so you could work for the regionals at age 23.

huh??? first of all, what has this to do with the subject at hand. and second of all, your insinuation that someone cant be flying 135 within 3 years of starting to fly is ludicrous

...on the other hand, it sounds like our friend here has his hands full

 

[FN FAL]

http://www.fyis.com/faq.html

Before all the FBI experts tell you the FBI maintains records on drunk drivers, there's some information to be gleaned off the above website regarding NCIC checks.

 

[wingnutt]

If you are in fact a freight dog, you must have gone through a 10 year background check? Is that true?

...and this means little or nothing. i know of an operator that still to this day does his background checks via an assistant chief pilot and a telephone. all he did was contact the people you listed on your app, and quite frankly, that could be anyone.

 

[FN FAL]

...and this means little or nothing. the first operator i ever worked for did his background checks via an assistant chief pilot and a telephone. all he did was contact the people you listed on your app, and quite frankly, that could be anyone.

http://www.fyis.com/faq.html

check the above link...it's the county courthouse record that kills you. Not saying other records don't...but if you get a ticket in an county you don't reside in, the only way they are going to find out about it is if you tell them or if it's on the NDR.

The reason why I think this original post is hoax, is everybody knows that states keep DUI records for 20 years now.

I think the orginal poster is trolling...

 

[wingnutt]

http://www.fyis.com/faq.html

check the above link...it's the county courthouse record that kills you. Not saying other records don't...but if you get a ticket in an county you don't reside in, the only way they are going to find out about it is if you tell them or if it's on the NDR.

thats what i was saying. the link to a pay for service will catch it, but most of the lower tier operators that i know of just whip up their own check...which isnt much

 

[FN FAL]

thats what i was saying. the link to a pay for service will catch it, but most of the lower tier operators that i know of just whip up their own check...which isnt much

Well, if states are keeping 20 year records on DUI's I don't know how a pilot could pass even a poorly done background check with DUI in his record. At the very least, it's still probably on his NDR. Which is probably where the FAA does it's initial check when you get your first medical done...they'd be stupid if they didn't check that, that's what it's there for.

 

[FN FAL]

Air Carriers for Pilot Applicants

The Pilot Records Improvement Act of 1996 requires an air carrier, before hiring an individual as a pilot, to request, with the individual's written consent, the Chief Driver licensing official of a state to perform a National Driver Register (NDR) file check. Any information you receive from the NDR should be made available to the employee. If you receive information from the NDR indicating that an individual is on file you will be provided with the name of the State, the address and telephone number in order to request a copy of the driver record to verify that it is the same individual. Information on the NDR file that was reported by the States during the past 5-years and any withdrawal action still in effect will be disclosed.

and some other stuff...

[font=arial,sans-serif]Page 1[/font]
✈ PILOT RECORDS IMPROVEMENT ACT
✈
National Driver Registry Checks
General Instructions For Users
(AFS-620 PRIA 004) Version 1.1 / Approved 9-13-04 / JAR Page 1 of 2
For an applicant’s driver’s license verification request related to the Pilot Records
Improvement Act, the air carrier will query the National Driver Registry (NDR).
The website is: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/perform/driver/. Use this procedure:
a. Use FAA Form 8060-13 available from the official PRIA website:
http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/pria/
b. Refer to the instruction page attached to all 8060-13 forms, in addition to these
instructions, before beginning the NDR request process.
c. Contact
the
state
in which the hiring air carrier is located to confirm, request, and
receive the proper NDR request form, if Form 8060-13 is not being used by that
state. Many states use a similar form identified as: ‘NDR-EMP.’ If that state,
however, has no preference, use FAA Form 8060-13.
d. Send the completed request form(s) to the State Motor Vehicle Agency in which
the hiring air carrier is located, for processing.
e. If that state is unable to complete the request(s), forward the NDR request form to
either the state of Texas or the state of Florida. Both will complete NDR requests
from anywhere in the United States.
The customer service number for the state of Texas is 512-424-2600 or 512-424-
2010, website: (www.txdps.state.tx.us/) The customer service number for the
state of Florida is 850-488-2741, website: (www.hsmv.state.fl.us/)
f. If either states of Texas or Florida are unable to complete the request, contact the
National Driver Registry in Washington DC at 202-366-4800 and request that
they complete your NDR request. They will consider the request on a case-by-
case basis.
From the National Driver Registry request you should receive:
a. Status of the pilot’s current state driver’s license.
b. Record of any suspension or revocation from the previous 5-year period.
c. Driving under the influence of alcohol, if applicable.
[font=arial,sans-serif]Page 2[/font]
✈ PILOT RECORDS IMPROVEMENT ACT
✈
National Driver Registry Checks
General Instructions For Users
(AFS-620 PRIA 004) Version 1.1 / Approved 9-13-04 / JAR Page 2 of 2
Frequently asked questions concerning the NDR:
a. Can a state charge for completing your request? YES – since the system of
records will vary from state to state, the charge will probably also vary.
b. Is there a difference between the information received from a state check and one
completed by the NDR in Washington DC? NO – (see the procedure below.)
c. Are all NDR checks, regardless of who completes the request and where the
request was submitted, sufficient for satisfying the purpose of PRIA? YES
d. Does an NDR request completed by a state contain information that was accessed
from a national database? NO – there is no longer a national NDR database being
maintained in Washington DC. NDR only maintains a ‘pointer-record’ which
could indicate a specific state.
The NDR completion process occurs as follows:
1. State making the original request sends the form electronically to NDR.
2. NDR checks for a ‘hit’ or a ‘no-hit’ record for the subject of the request.
3. ‘No-hit’ – the state is notified that there is no indication of a violation.
4. ‘Hit’ – the state is notified of a violation and in which state it occurred.
5. State originating the request then goes directly to the state in which the
violation occurred for completion of the NDR request. The state in which
the applicant maintains residency has no bearing on the NDR check.

 

[blott]

Find something else to do untill ten years have passed(and have a spotless record during the ten years). Hire a good lawyer, and have your record wiped clean. It can be done, and it won't show up on any checks, trust me...

B

 

[staledog]

This is something you want to involve a lawyer on. I don't think you are totally scr*wed, but it's most likely going to sting some. Do not screw around with it, because 1) you falsified official documents, 2) you can get your certs revoked and get 'banned' for a while, 3) ATP requires 'good' character and lying on a medical can be an issue (if they decide to press it).

Get this resolved ASAP! If the FAA burns you on it instead of you 'confessing', you will get the book thrown at you.

At the moment, noone is getting into the majors. A DWI isn't a killing flaw but it will take a while of good behavior to overcome.

I agree. I think all these other guys are being a little hard on you. You already know you did something dumb (haven't we all). Hopefully you can make friends with a REALLY nice fed and see if he/she can help you out, or at least give you some good advice. Good luck.

 

[Lead Sled]

I agree. I think all these other guys are being a little hard on you. You already know you did something dumb (haven't we all). Hopefully you can make friends with a REALLY nice fed and see if he/she can help you out, or at least give you some good advice. Good luck.

Hells bells, DON'T do that!!! I'm a firm beliver in cultivating a healthy relationship with the Feds, but don't go to them with this one. It would be a little like going to your friendly local cop and admitting to him that you committed a major 'social fopa" a few years ago and would like his opinion on what you should do now so that it never comes to light. Get an attorney and cross your fingers.

'Sled

 

[FN FAL]

I agree. I think all these other guys are being a little hard on you. You already know you did something dumb (haven't we all). Hopefully you can make friends with a REALLY nice fed and see if he/she can help you out, or at least give you some good advice. Good luck.

Hahahahahaha.

 

[FN FAL]

'social fopa"

I don't think you can compare a social "fopa" with violating something codified in the federal regulations. A "social fopa" would be like picking your nose in public.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Lets see,
1) DUI
2) Lies about above on federal documents

This sounds like the person that an airline would like to hand a an airplane and 54 lives, yeah right why don't you apply for C.E.O. you have the right morals.
Hope you get caught soon
PBR