Smoking Pilots

[Sphincter Boy]

Second hand smoke doesn't do any harm -- what a moron -- what a maroon.

THe way I figure it, you owe me half a pack.

 

[jobear]

60 driver you got a zippo I like the fuel taste in my 1st drag. I'll keep smoking'em if you can help me light 'em. And hey I'm helping out the Economy what with my doctor appointments, meds, specialized foods, & holistic hopeless cures.
So if I can help out the guys lower than me on the Senority list (I am at the bottom) I should be applauded Not Breated. Where'd I put that GD Bong?

Jobear

 

[ChinaClipper]

I don't smoke around anyone...

so have a nice cup of STFU! BTW I never smoked until I joined the military, I blame them wholehardedly. In Desert Storm, all we had in the sandbox was cheap smokes. No chicks, no booze and we stank most of the time, so smoking was the only outlet for nearly 5 months. After all that crap, I swore I would do as I pleased after sooo much depravation. Got back to the world, took a real shower, saw some chicks that could be easily identified as such, but couldn't quit smoking... or drinking. My herwas, and is, Frank Sinatra and I really like his outlook on life. Smoking and drinking are special events and if you don't like me doin' it, bite me, ya smarmy little tofu eating, beet juice drinking, socially responsable wanker. As Frank used to say ".......Gilly, bring us a few wet ones over here, and let those broads in here....Heya Dollface, sit on Uncle Frankies lap and tell me what ya want for Christmas....How about another round here!" He lived until 90......died with a grin.....Come fly with me, come fly, lets fly away.....Swing it baby!!!!!

 

[RJPilott]

Re: I don't smoke around anyone...

ya smarmy little tofu eating, beet juice drinking, socially responsable wanker.

LOL... somehow i feel uptight anal retentive jamokes will free up the senority list alot sooner than anyone that smokes... lighten up folks before you have a stroke.... if somking pilots gets you people this uptight to actually post a thread about it... i wonder how you react when there is a REAL problem.... or if you get a whif of Deisel exhaust.... lol

 

[trainerjet]

Re: trainerjet

trainerjet



I know of a pilot at Horizon airlines. He just stopped smoking before he got hired and once he got hired he now smokes. So I don't think your perfect little world is so perfect.

I could care less one way or the other. Just pointing out my company's policy.

BTW, it's those who think that they have somehow "beat the system" that are usually so surprised when the rug gets suddenly and inevitably jerked out from under them.

 

[RJFlyer]

You stinky bastards can smoke all you want, just don't do it in the non-smoking rooms of the hotel. I can tell the second I walk into a room whether some asswipe has been smoking in it, and I can't exactly call them out on it, since they're no longer there. You can't be bothered to haul your lazy ass out of bed to smoke? Real simple - get a smoking room.

 

[RJPilott]

Real simple - get a smoking room.

Why??? its soooo much more fun to piss people like you off....

 

[flewa72]

Besides, even smokers (as severely olfactory-challenged as they are) can't stand the smell of a dedicated "smoking" room. I've flown with several pilots who smoke that request non-smoking rooms for that reason.

 

[mullet]

Re: Re: trainerjet

BTW, it's those who think that they have somehow "beat the system" that are usually so surprised when the rug gets suddenly and inevitably jerked out from under them.

Get out!!! I've never heard of an Alaska pilot losing their job. I remember when I ramped for UAL during college, I knew I was close to baggage claim by the cloud of smoke coming out of Alaska Airlines 'nicotine free airline' ramp crew room! Maybe over the years they have clamped down a bit. Honestly the rug getting jerked...good one.....for popping a chew or having a puff.

 

[N813CA]

All you guys complaining about smoking sound like my Mother. Get over it.

 

[trainerjet]

Re: Re: Re: trainerjet

Get out!!! I've never heard of an Alaska pilot losing their job. I remember when I ramped for UAL during college, I knew I was close to baggage claim by the cloud of smoke coming out of Alaska Airlines 'nicotine free airline' ramp crew room! Maybe over the years they have clamped down a bit. Honestly the rug getting jerked...good one.....for popping a chew or having a puff.

As is so typical due to the level of (non) intelligence that runs rampant on this board, you have completely and totally missed the point I was making...WOW BIG SURPRISE THERE.

I don't have the inclination to explain it. Again. So, take it however you want and think whatever you must.

In fact, I think this is as good a time as any to say adios to you all. I feel this board has run it's course of being useful, and don't think I have anything left to contribute (that's assuming I ever contributed anything at all), or think I have anything left to gain as a participant. If anything changes, maybe I'll be back. In the mean time...

Good luck to everyone. So long.

 

[Mr Hat]

Look, I am just sick and tired of these liberal close minded jerkoffs imposing their way of life on everyone else. In there little PC world people should speak a certain way, look a certain way and live their lives a certain way....anyone who goes against THEIR grain should be ostrocised until they comply. The same people who stopped toy manufacturers from selling toy guns because REAL guns are bad and we need to save the children. The same people who while they hate smoking cigarettes, would LOVE to make marijuana legal because its less dangerous than alcohol! The same people who are hindering our search for terrorists because they feel that EVERYONE, including terrorists have certain rights in this country! The same people who bomb abortion clinics because they think that killing an abortion doctor is ok but their rally cry is "Every life is precious!". The ones that went after a high school freshman because she saw that her school had an "Afro-American" "Latino" and "Asian" club so she started a "Caucasian" Club and was labled a racist! They dumb down this country and try to make it so safe for children that they create this Disney World society....well F their society! They ban video games, music lyrics and nudity on TV to save the children when we all know that those things are not the root of the problems in this country (although PC folk are afraid to admit that they actually do live in a dangerous world where you actually have to watch you're back) Do you know what the smoking ban is doing to the economy in NYC? People arent going out anymore! Bars are going under because people would rather throw a party at home where they can smoke and drink in peace. There used to be steak and cigar bars, they are also going under! How many non-smokers do you think went there? It should be a choice, not a law. These people rely on squed statistics to back up their claims, most of which are BS. Why is it that PC people cant live and let live. They claim to be open minded, loving and caring about everyone, the truth is that they only care about themselves and their fuc*ed up idea of what society should be.
I'd like to refer you guys to watch the next season of "Penn and Tellers Bullsh*t" on Showtime. They are really the ones who opened my eyes to the second hand smoke lie. I researched it on my own only to find out that, yes its true that those statistics are false and that the threat of second hand smoke is nowhere near as dangerous as people believe. http://www.davehitt.com/facts/


P.S. I never said I smoked.
My point is that while there is are so many other things in this world to worry about, why are you worring about what the other guy is doing.

 

[Freightdog75]

Mr. Hat:

That was one of the best posts I have ever seen on this site!!! I'm right there with you on all of that(except on being a smoker) .

FD75

 

[CatYaaak]

That sounds great, but it's not exactly true.

Second, inasmuch as some behaviors cost society as a whole, society has a right to voice an objection. Off the top of my head I can see two ways that smoking costs society as a whole. First, the burden imposed on the government in dealing with the results of smoking is passed on to the taxpayer -- US. (I'm not happy with that arrangement, but that's another subject.) Second, the burden imposed on insurance underwriters is passed on to the policy holders that pay increased premiums or enjoy reduced benefits.

Actually, it's been proven that smokers save "society" money. Smokers pay "sin taxes" every time they buy a pack, they pay higher medical and life insurance premiums than non-smokers to cover costs when they are alive, and most importantly, they die (on average) 4 years earlier than your average non-smoker, thereby collecting 4 years' worth less of Social Security, Medicare, etc. etc. Looking at the whole picture, smokers easily cover their costs to this nebulous "society" you speak of. Which brings us to the major flaw in your equation;

In order to hold the belief that a smoker's death somehow "costs" money, one must also believe that because one is a non-smoker, they are not only immune to sickness, but in fact...immortal. This is not the case, of course, and in fact a smoker usually has on average 3 fewer lengthy (and very expensive) hospital stays the last years prior to death than a non-smoker. This is because lung/throat cancer is fairly deadly the first time around. The vast, vast majority of medical costs are incurred just before death...and everyone dies, including non-smokers. They rack up the same huge medical costs and expenses as the smoker did....but they will do it more times during those extra 4+ years of life.

You say "society has the right to voice an objection if a behavior costs society as a whole (according to flawed equations of "cost")". I'm assuming the behaviors you refer to are voluntary, and not necessary ones. Well, if the Nanny State is in full swing, let's find some other people we can demonize;

Obese, fat, overweight people (and from the looks of more and more of them, some pilots must pencil in "Dozen Crispy Creme Donuts" on their Before Engine Start checklist).
Tanned sunbathers (death by melanoma isn't pretty)
People who ride bikes on busy roads with no shoulder (if it's so good for your health, why do they wear those silly little helmets?)
Anyone who buys beer, cable TV, internet service, health club memberships, Pay-per-view wrestling, or $100 tennis shoes while whining about not having health insurance.
People who don't take 1 Flinstones vitamin every single day.

And lastly, Type A high-blood-pressure-heart-attack candidates who live to work out and mousse their hair, and then stress-out about what other people are doing, such as lighting up. They usually don't drink coffee either (another "bad thing" in their world), and are completely useless in a cockpit after about 9PM since they're half asleep since they woke up at 6AM to go "hit the gym" at the hotel.

 

[CatYaaak]

There are a minority of pilots addicted to nicotine (chain smokers) and regarding that there are certain things that really peeve me regarding this behavior.

You're gonna make a great, nagging wife for someone someday.