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Ravengirl

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News here just reported two fatalities. Apparently a Cessna (note: they call all small planes 'Cessna') hit a radio tower west of Fullerton (KFUL.) They made sure to mention the station was still broadcasting *rolls eyes*

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/4009003/detail.html

Anyone know anything else?

Stephanie
 
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It was daytime, and apparently good visibility according to the METARs.

The 900' tower came down after the crash. I, too am relieved that the station was able to keep broadcasting! :rolleyes:
 
Vik said:
I wonder if its the same tower thats on the Terminal Area Chart, the Californa Pilot's Guide pull-out chart for FUL. I think I even remember it .. I think its AM 640. Huge tower. I wonder if it was at night?
That's right - tower is for KFI, 640 AM. One of the last clear channel AM stations in existence. Tower is about a mile from the airport - between the departure end of 24 and I-5 freeway.

Peace

SF
 
I used to flight instruct at FUL. That was always the item we, as instructors, emphasized to our students - how to avoid the towers. I think this is at least the third fatal plane crash involving that tower.
 
If you are using an AM tower as a fix for practicing holds, you must be higher thatn the CAGL height of the tower to do so...unless it's a FOX affiliate.
 
Thats the KFI tower right? That thing is big, always use that to turn base going into FUL...... yep it was :(
 
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That tower used to give me the Heebie Jeebies whenever I'd depart IFR. That's a serious transmitter. I drove from SLC to BOI the other night and listened to KFI the whole way. It's gotta be 600 miles from KFUL to KSLC with lots of mountains inbetween.
 
EagleRJ said:
It was daytime, and apparently good visibility according to the METARs.

The 900' tower came down after the crash. I, too am relieved that the station was able to keep broadcasting! :rolleyes:
I was out driving today...it was one of the most clear days we've had all year!
 
GravityHater said:
What was the sun angle? Were they west of it, flying into a rising sun in the am? or the reverse?
A distinct possibility, since the accident happened in the morning, the plane was approaching the airport, and as Ravengirl said, the tower was west of the airport.

If anyone flies out of this local area, maybe they should get AOPA involved with the issue that this was not the first accident involving this tower. They have previously fought construction of obstructions that would present an unusually high risk to aviation.
Those towers only take a month or two to put up, and since the site is already permitted and wired for the station, I'm sure a contract for a replacement tower is already out for bid. If AOPA acts fast, they might be able to force the tower to be built somewhere safer.
 
KFI is a "Clear Channel" station. That does not mean it is part of Clear Channel Broadcasting Corp., it means that there are no other radio stations broadcasting on 640AM on the west coast. They broadcast 50,000 watts of effective radiated power, while most other AM stations are at 10-20,000 max and reduce power at night. On a clear night, when the signal can skip on the ionosphere, you can probably hear them in Alaska. If you held a flourescent light tube near the tower, it would illuminate in your hand.

The FCC has not granted a clear channel license in over 50 years. In other words, the tower has been there a while, a long while. It will probably be rebuilt as it is far too expensive to re-engineer and approve a new location for a transmitter, and they own the tower site, a very expensive chunk of Southern California real estate.

If it was a high rise building that had been there for 60 years, would you advocate its removal?

While I hate to hear of anyone hurt or killed in an aviation related accident, and my condolences go out to the families, I think advocating safer pilots might be in order. I flew around this tower while flying traffic watch for KNX-AM and I know it well. It is well marked on the sectional and terminal chart, as well as NOAA and Jeppesen charts. The pilot is required to have a current copy of at least one of these charts on board. The pilot should have known it was there. It was clear and over 150 miles visibility on that day, in fact I flew over the area three times at 7000 ft that morning and there wasn't a cloud within 200 miles. A mild Santa-Ana wind was blowing and it was a picture perfect day.

You have to look out the window, and if your vision is obscured, you need to know what's out there before you fly there.

Just my humble offering...
 
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CaptRob said:
KFI is a "Clear Channel" station. That does not mean it is part of Clear Channel Broadcasting Corp., it means that there are no other radio stations broadcasting on 640AM on the west coast. They broadcast 50,000 watts of effective radiated power, while most other AM stations are at 10-20,000 max and reduce power at night. On a clear night, when the signal can skip on the ionosphere, you can probably hear them in Alaska. If you held a flourescent light tube near the tower, it would illuminate in your hand.

The FCC has not granted a clear channel license in over 50 years. In other words, the tower has been there a while, a long while. It will probably be rebuilt as it is far too expensive to re-engineer and approve a new location for a transmitter, and they own the tower site, a very expensive chunk of Southern California real estate.

If it was a high rise building that had been there for 60 years, would you advocate its removal?

While I hate to hear of anyone hurt or killed in an aviation related accident, and my condolences go out to the families, I think advocating safer pilots might be in order. I flew around this tower while flying traffic watch for KNX-AM and I know it well. It is well marked on the sectional and terminal chart, as well as NOAA and Jeppesen charts. The pilot is required to have a current copy of at least one of these charts on board. The pilot should have known it was there. It was clear and over 150 miles visibility on that day, in fact I flew over the area three times at 7000 ft that morning and there wasn't a cloud within 200 miles. A mild Santa-Ana wind was blowing and it was a picture perfect day.

You have to look out the window, and if your vision is obscured, you need to know what's out there before you fly there.

Just my humble offering...
CaptRob,

KFI is a "clear channel" station that also happens to be owned by Clear Channel Broadcasting Corp. Just to clarify...

I've managed to pick up KFI in parts of Arizona...it's one heck of a strong signal, that's for sure.

Stephanie
 
mmmdonut said:
Did they knock Rush Limbaugh off the air? Good for them!
Classy.
 
Ravengirl said:
CaptRob,

KFI is a "clear channel" station that also happens to be owned by Clear Channel Broadcasting Corp. Just to clarify...

I've managed to pick up KFI in parts of Arizona...it's one heck of a strong signal, that's for sure.

Stephanie
I've gotten it in Tucson some nights... and picked it up on the ADF once here in the Bay Area ;)
 

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