SLC ASA pilots... tell us what Jerry has to say

[EatinRamen]

If any of our SLC guys from ASA were in the crew room when J.A. came to visit, let us know what he had to say. Thanks!

 

[Grassstrippilot]

He's visiting today. I won't get there until after he leaves, but for those that do make it, please summerize his song and dance.....which I'm sure will be more of the same i.e., we're working on it...blah, blah blah....we need to be competitive blah, blah, blah.....etc, etc, etc.

I appreciate that he is making the effort to come and visit the crew room, but I don't think anything of any real substance will be said.

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

Who gives a rats ass!

It's always the same deceptive crap anytime management opens their mouth.

I'll bet he says:

1) Let's get the contract done.

2) We're gonna grow like gangbusters (after you agree to a concessionary contract)

3) We want to be industry leading (that is, bonuses for me)

4) I have an open door...talk to me anytime.

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

Hello

Did Jerry show up yet or what?

Lets hear the news!

 

[AV8700]

Was anyone there?

 

[~~~^~~~]

I'm beginning to wonder if Jerry was there.

Crew scheduling probably made sure that the entire SLC base and any ATL transient crews were deadheading to a 30 hour overnight during the speech.

 

[Comin-In-Hot]

He was there guys...Fairly descent turnout considering the size of our operation out here. Several guys came in on their day of. MEC, many FA's & mtc. guys made an appearance as well.

The obvious concerns were talked about, so I will try to summarize what was said.

SLC will be staus quo until May, and hopefully into the summer. Delta's May schedule requires 4 additional 70's to be added to the mix, so the 5 SKYW are getting will fill that niche, and ASA will stay with what we have. ASA's future in SLC depends on Delta's need. ASA's 50's coming out here doesn't look like a possibility

ASA opening another hub/domicile "absolutely will not happen". If and when we leave here, we go back to ATL. Jerry talked about the 90's/705's that Delta will need out of ATL, and ASA being the most likely candidate. Apparently 17 are on order. The scope business with Delta still needs to be settled for us to put 78 seats in the 900. We all voiced concern about lack of capacity in ATL, and JA hinted that when Delta downsizes their fleet, that slots would open. Basically, a lot of speculation here.

All you guys aren't going to like this, but sounds like our parent company giving us a contract without the 8% concession on 70 pay will not happen. JA said about 5 times that ASA cannot and will not get any addtional 70 flying until the costs come down. He gave some legitimate breakdowns of operation costs, and said that he wants us near the bottom, but not at the bottom. He touted the profit sharing plan several times, and some numbers were crunched while we were all there, and a $100k per year Captain stands to get about $1150 per quarter based on a 4.6% company quarterly earnings while meeting 100% of the performance goals (The baggage is not included!!)

Jerry said he's like to see the contract settled in one month, but realizes that is probably not possible. Travel benefits are at a stand still right now, and nothing has been discussed for about 2 months.

SKYW is actively bidding on the COEX flying, and if SKYW gets the award ASA could expect to receive a majority, possibly all of that flying (69 ERJ-145's). That awarded carrier is expected to be announced in about a month or 2.

That was the meat of the discussion. Most people seemed to enjoy talking with Jerry. He was very open, and easy to talk too. Straight shooter, and comes across more honest and trusting than a typical businessman. You guys in ATL will get your chance to meet him. He is supposed to have a similar forum in the crew lounge there in about 2 weeks he said.

Signing off...........

 

[C-DALE DRVR]

How can they award the coex flying in a month or two when we still own those planes until the end of the year. Not trying to flame I just don't see how that could be. The word around here is those planes may be going to europe to fly for some XJT europe startup. If they do go there won't be any 69 planes to fly!

 

[DCMartin]

How can they award the coex flying in a month or two when we still own those planes until the end of the year. Not trying to flame I just don't see how that could be. The word around here is those planes may be going to europe to fly for some XJT europe startup. If they do go there won't be any 69 planes to fly!

No, But there will be 69 planes' worth of flying to be had. Im guesing with planes owned by SKYW, MESA, or CHQ. I also think CO would prefer this so they would have the palnes leases paid for.

 

[General Lee]

I like the part about the 17 CR9s or CRJ-705s. Scope is a strike issue for us, and we are ONLY offering extra 70 seaters. Most of us would VOTE DOWN any allowance of planes larger than 70 seats. I guess you could try to put 70 seats into a CR9, and it would be the MOST LUXURIOUS stretched RJ EVER. Wow. I really don't think we will allow it, and a strike would shut us all down. Sorry. I will vote NO on any TA that includes DCI planes over 70 seats.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Otto Coarsen]

If you're a regional pilot...........

......And your boss's name is Jerry......

.....Does that make you one of "Jerry's Kids"?

If so, I'll deffinately drop a shiney nickel in the jar nex time...

 

[CFIT]

JA has one of the best records in the airline business. If there are 90 seat hulls being delivered, and there are, you can bet that he knows alot more about the scope situation than the Delta pilot group.

 

[rjcap]

All you guys aren't going to like this, but sounds like our parent company giving us a contract without the 8% concession on 70 pay will not happen. JA said about 5 times that ASA cannot and will not get any addtional 70 flying until the costs come down. He gave some legitimate breakdowns of operation costs, and said that he wants us near the bottom, but not at the bottom. He touted the profit sharing plan several times, and some numbers were crunched while we were all there, and a $100k per year Captain stands to get about $1150 per quarter based on a 4.6% company quarterly earnings while meeting 100% of the performance goals (The baggage is not included!!)

Thats bogus. Skywest pilots make more $$ than ASA when including the quarterly bonus plan. All JA wants to do is have all pay capped at the 50 seat rate while he slowly replaces all the 50's with 70's and who knows what. He's being a selfish bast--- I meant a good business man !

If he wants to give the 70's to somebody else so be it. Why do we need them if they don't pay any better then the 50. I call bullsht on his whole road show. He's just there to undermine our union reps at the negotiation table.

Remember guys, its not what the company is willing to give us.
Its what WE NEGOTIATE !!

 

[CFIT]

If you're a regional pilot...........

......And your boss's name is Jerry......

.....Does that make you one of "Jerry's Kids"?

If so, I'll deffinately drop a shiney nickel in the jar nex time...

WOW! never heard that one before.

You have to get a job in acting, it's just a waste of talent to have you in a cockpit.

 

[FDJ2]

JA has one of the best records in the airline business. If there are 90 seat hulls being delivered, and there are, you can bet that he knows alot more about the scope situation than the Delta pilot group.

That's funny.

 

[General Lee]

JA has one of the best records in the airline business. If there are 90 seat hulls being delivered, and there are, you can bet that he knows alot more about the scope situation than the Delta pilot group.

That makes NO sense at all. He may be confident, but it all comes down to OUR VOTES. Sorry, speculation can be costly. Even our MEC can give a TA to us, and then it is UP TO US. YOU NEED TO LEARN THIS CFIT, expecially since your own "union" (are those guys appointed by management?) leaders are floppy wangs. (is that acceptable language on this board?) Maybe JA is buying GOLD with all of the money he is saving by not giving you your 1.2% pay raise........

Sure, there may be some 90 seat HULLS being delivered, but they may NOT hold that many seats when it is over with, and unfortunately for you---they will still pay 50 seat wages. Good job.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[737 Pylt]

JA has one of the best records in the airline business. If there are 90 seat hulls being delivered, and there are, you can bet that he knows alot more about the scope situation than the Delta pilot group.

You are probably right, but the line in the sand stays drawn at 70 seats.
737

 

[007]

If he wants to give the 70's to somebody else so be it. Why do we need them if they don't pay any better then the 50. I call bullsht on his whole road show. He's just there to undermine our union reps at the negotiation table.

AND he's trying to bait you with the good old Skywest growth phenomenon(69).
"you'll all be jet captains in year, you're the cream of the crop"


That'll pay some bills..................what a guy.

 

[007]

but the line in the sand stays drawn at 70 seats.
737

Hope it stays that way.

 

[Otto Coarsen]

WOW! never heard that one before.

You have to get a job in acting, it's just a waste of talent to have you in a cockpit.

I've never heard that one before....... So I guess I need to sit at home more and read flightinfo...

Acting?
Hmmm... Maybe you're on to something

 

[WhatRUSmokinGL?]

That makes NO sense at all. He may be confident, but it all comes down to OUR VOTES. Sorry, speculation can be costly. Even our MEC can give a TA to us, and then it is UP TO US. YOU NEED TO LEARN THIS CFIT, expecially since your own "union" (are those guys appointed by management?) leaders are floppy wangs. (is that acceptable language on this board?) Maybe JA is buying GOLD with all of the money he is saving by not giving you your 1.2% pay raise........

Sure, there may be some 90 seat HULLS being delivered, but they may NOT hold that many seats when it is over with, and unfortunately for you---they will still pay 50 seat wages. Good job.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I thought you guys would have stood firm for the SECOND concession at the 10% line like I was told about three months ago. Guess ya'll didnt get it right the first time huh? Was the second pay cut firm at 10% like the scope? Guess we'll see now that you lost prudy and her somewhat beneficial attitude. Good Luck hope the new one is atleast fair.

And yeah 900's for 50 seat pay or ASA 70seat pay minus 8% is crazy

 

[General Lee]

I thought you guys would have stood firm for the SECOND concession at the 10% line like I was told about three months ago. Guess ya'll didnt get it right the first time huh? Was the second pay cut firm at 10% like the scope? Guess we'll see now that you lost prudy and her somewhat beneficial attitude. Good Luck hope the new one is atleast fair.

And yeah 900's for 50 seat pay or ASA 70seat pay minus 8% is crazy

I have never heard of the 10% line in the sand? No one ever gave me an amount before the last concession give away. And, that was a TEMPORARY agreement, and we are actually asking for some of that back immediately---I believe 6% (down to 9% total cut), then down to 5% a year later, and then zero. (we will still have the original 33% pay cut from 2004)

As far as losing Prudy, that is true, but our current judge can only give thumbs up or thumbs down on the 1113 process, and then we are free to strike (even Prudy said the Federal courts will not intervene, and asked our CFO what the Labor Railway Act had to do with any of this?) This really all comes down to us negotiating with management, and we will see how bad they also want the 8% stock award (like United, which netted the management MILLIONS of dollars) for themselves. The judge will not even be a part of this until the end---and the 3 man board can also only vote yes or no on the 1113c. This is all about management/ALPA negotiations---and 2300 of our most loyal pilots (to the company--the senior ones with 25 plus years) are all gone now. We only have 250 older than 55 (out of 6500). The rest actually KNOW WHAT AN RJ is. And, did you know that Lee Moak, our MEC chairman, is a 737-200 capt? His plane would actually be replaced by a 79 seat RJ. I am sure he wants that! Maybe if we got them, yes, but not otherwise.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[WhatRUSmokinGL?]

I have never heard of the 10% line in the sand? No one ever gave me an amount before the last concession give away. And, that was a TEMPORARY agreement, and we are actually asking for some of that back immediately---I believe 6% (down to 9% total cut), then down to 5% a year later, and then zero. (we will still have the original 33% pay cut from 2004)




Bye Bye--General Lee

Funny, That 10% is eactly the line I was told by several of your line pilots. No kidding. Are you sure there isn't a divide of oppinion among AC types? None of the folks were 76 folks. But the exact quote I remember is "most the people aren't going past 10%." Everyone was peeved that grinstein was coming back with a cut AGAIN and 1113C and there wasn't much your union could do about it. And we saw that was the case. 14% (for the second pay cut) was then released shortly after all the ruckus. I was in the not so beautiful hole they call atlanta when that came out.( I really hate that town) Lot of frowny faces.....

 

[FDJ2]

General you nailed it. WhataSmuck is clueless.

 

[WhatRUSmokinGL?]

General you nailed it. WhataSmuck is clueless.

FU Dweeb

Just telling you what I was told A$$L!k

 

[WhatRUSmokinGL?]

FD, when you fall on your sword (yeah right) for the scope and shut the house down, you gonna pay your mortgages by flying overseas?

You could always talk to the Former Eastern folks about their financial plans after "Standing Up" to lorenzo

 

[FDJ2]

FU Dweeb

Just telling you what I was told A$$L!k

Go back to your room junior.

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

WoW

All you guys aren't going to like this, but sounds like our parent company giving us a contract without the 8% concession on 70 pay will not happen. JA said about 5 times that ASA cannot and will not get any addtional 70 flying until the costs come down. He gave some legitimate breakdowns of operation costs, and said that he wants us near the bottom, but not at the bottom. He touted the profit sharing plan several times, and some numbers were crunched while we were all there, and a $100k per year Captain stands to get about $1150 per quarter based on a 4.6% company quarterly earnings while meeting 100% of the performance goals (The baggage is not included!!)

SKYW is actively bidding on the COEX flying, and if SKYW gets the award ASA could expect to receive a majority, possibly all of that flying (69 ERJ-145's). That awarded carrier is expected to be announced in about a month or 2.

The 8% concession doesn't look nice
COEX flying ok

I am dumbfounded but i must agree with General FLEA that anything more than 70 seats at a regional/commuter is Bow Sheeott.
Whether your at great mistake now or at ASA. We all got into this business to make money at a mainline carrier. The more mainline jobs that dissappear the worse off we all are.

 

[WhatRUSmokinGL?]

Go back to your room junior.

Hey Not my fault you picked wrong and will face more paycuts or a different line of work. Take your anger out on your dog stay outta here dweeb. Go back to YOUR ROOM ya troller, It's labeled MAJORS.

 

[General Lee]

Funny, That 10% is eactly the line I was told by several of your line pilots. No kidding. Are you sure there isn't a divide of oppinion among AC types? None of the folks were 76 folks. But the exact quote I remember is "most the people aren't going past 10%." Everyone was peeved that grinstein was coming back with a cut AGAIN and 1113C and there wasn't much your union could do about it. And we saw that was the case. 14% (for the second pay cut) was then released shortly after all the ruckus. I was in the not so beautiful hole they call atlanta when that came out.( I really hate that town) Lot of frowny faces.....

Sure, we were all pi$$ed that Grinstein was coming back for more. He originally stated "Do it once, do it right." Why the press didn't nail him on that is beyond me. I think he came back because of higher fuel and because yields were still very low. Now that Indy Air is gone, and fuel has come down a tad, it will be tougher for him to justify anything extra. Also, they have been watching United very carefully, and the huge bonus in stock management got is appealing to our guys as well. We also have the benefit of watching NW go through this process before we do. It sounds like they have possibly agreed on only 70 seaters joining their Airlink group---and nothing larger. We have offered more 70 seaters to Delta, but nothing larger. And, this whole temporary agreement (15% pay cut) has served it's current purpose, to give Dalpa more time to know what may happen to our pension deal. IF Delta does decide to dump the pensions, we will likely get some credit for their savings. (United settled their contracts BEFORE they dumped their pensions) The potential savings per year is in the $180-200 million range for the pilots alone. We want that to count in the savings they are still looking for, and most arbitrators or judges could understand that. It will be very interesting, no doubt.

Bye Bye--General Lee