Slam Dunk In Florida...

[AlabamaMan!!]

File to BRAVE...ENW...then UGN.....keeps you out of the ORD arrivals and not quite so bad of a descent.

 

[kilroy]

Exactly F()ck them.. I've never had use the boards in 9000+ hrs except for a medical emergency. I don''t accept them and I don't slow down to help the descent rate. It seems Jax,Orl and TPA atc has issues on sectors accepting aircraft at certain altitudes. I'm not going to make my pax's uncomfortable for atc problems.

Big deal. Spend another minute or two in the air because of the vectors. If enough people do that, they'll learn. If people always accept the restrictions, and come sailing down at 6,000fpm, they'll always give it to you. You've already made your choice, because apparently you think that using the speedbrakes is fun and breaks up the monotony. I've made my choice because I've been doing this for too many years to do stupid sh!t like that.

 

[Kingairrick]

I think it has to do with the comm. between the center sectors/tracon. We always get BLOND int @ 10000 when coming in over the Gulf on Q100. BLOND is 22 miles from PIE. Just plan to be slow @ BLOND to make it into PIE without the boards.

 

[Flechas]

Big deal. Spend another minute or two in the air because of the vectors. If enough people do that, they'll learn. If people always accept the restrictions, and come sailing down at 6,000fpm, they'll always give it to you. You've already made your choice, because apparently you think that using the speedbrakes is fun and breaks up the monotony. I've made my choice because I've been doing this for too many years to do stupid sh!t like that.

Dude, you don't have to get mad. I never said I'd accept a 6000 fpm descent, 4500 is the most I ca do with the bpards open, and 3500 without them.
Most of the time we have very little time between turns, and for the most part, vectors (in IAH) means they have to stack you back in the line, especially if there's weather around (today I didn't take a heading because of wx and sure enough, was 20 minutes late).
So that's why I rather open the boards than take a vector, maybe not a big deal for corporate guys.

 

[Capthuff]

Thanks AlabamaMan!

 

[AlabamaMan!!]

no problem...........if you have to get in there from the south.......file JOT VEENA

from the west......JVL VEENA

if going to PWK..from the west its RFD (V100) KRENA OBK
from the south JOT then you'll get vectors to OBK
from the east file to DEERE OBK
north.....file VEENA OBK

 

[WMUSIGPI]

It's not just in north Florida. Miami loves to slam you too. I have been given cross heatt at 16000 when 40 miles north descending through 42000 in the Lear. Lucky we were empty that time and it made for a fun ride down. They did it again the next week but we had the boss in back and said no thanks.

 

[aeronautic1]

I get it all the time into SRQ

it is typically 45 N of LAL at FL140. I always program it after GNV and where I get 20 miles from TOD I call JAX and ask if I am getting a crossing altitude which is always answered with an affirmative. VNAV, sit back and watch the scenery.

 

[CorpLearDriver]

You don't think that a 4000fpm required descent rate to meet a restriction is excessive? Screw that...I'm not throwing the boards out, and making it an uncomfortable and noisy ride for the pax because a controller wants me to make a BS descent.

Some 15+ years ago a Learjet was held up at altitude after the crew had repeatedly requested lower. Then, the controller issued a crossing restriction to them. The conversation went something like this.

"Learjet 123LJ, decend to cross XYZ intersection at 6,000 feet and 250 knots."

"123LJ is unable"

"C'mon, you have speed-brakes don't you?"

"They're called spoilers and they are for our mistakes, not yours...."