SL6 Passes....-800 Approved by SWAPA pilots

[boxjockey]

BCP7,

Pretty sure we don't fall under the term "operator". Wouldn't that be SWA? At CX, we don't have any kind of specific ETOPS recurrency training.

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[luckytohaveajob]

Maybe an ETOPS -700 but not an -800, it barely makes it some days from SFO/OAK.

I think I would have heard if an -800 had not made it because last time I checked there was no place to divert en route.

The -800 has 200 nm more range than the -700 because it is a faster aircraft.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

It good see SWA will start learning the entire 737NG fleet. How are those auto throttles treating you newbies?

It will also be good to see SWA furlough some of those AAI guys as Gary is planning. Spin age 65 all you want but Paul E. was the cause of the it.

Enjoy the next five plus years transitioning to the legacy SWA really is.

 

[RedBelly]

The -800 has 200 nm more range than the -700 because it is a faster aircraft.

From Boeing:

-700 range is 3440 miles
-800 range is 3115 miles

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/specs.html

 

[andyd]

Let me get this straight......you guys got to VOTE on a side letter? At DAL we find out about side letters and mou's AFTER they have been approved by the mec. Must me nice to have a union instead of a dictatorship!

Vote: DPA

 

[GuppyWN]

The -800 has 200 nm more range than the -700 because it is a faster aircraft.

WOW!

Gup

 

[StopNTSing]

Yeah that "choking the goose" strategy has worked so well in the past. How many raises have you got in the last few years?

I think my position is a bit softer than Rick Dubinsky, but thanks for the comparo. I'm not in favor of "choking the goose." I'd merely be satisfied with not always swinging at the company's first pitch. In this case, it would have been nice to get SOMETHING for the increased productivity we just gave away. How about tighter rigs for the longer turn times? Gary's already showing his intent that these aircraft won't just be for long-hauls, but also for those capacity-constrained markets (LGA)....enjoy those 45+ min turns on east coast short-hauls. Or what about some assurances that this "One Rate" precedent we seem to be moving towards will actually prevail if the company decides to buy some 100-seaters? Do you honestly think that if Gary announced a CSeries order next week, that he wouldn't be clamoring for a lower rate from us based on the way our contract is currently written? Or at a very minimum, some assurance that this replacement of Classics with higher-capacity -800s would not result in LESS total airframes for the same capacity....and an even LONGER upgrade for you?

Call me crazy, but I believe we got played....again. Yes it's still great here. There's no place else I'd rather be. But it could be even better if we took a page from our FAs or Mechs and demanded a little more respect from the company.

 

[PCL_128]

Let me get this straight......you guys got to VOTE on a side letter? At DAL we find out about side letters and mou's AFTER they have been approved by the mec. Must me nice to have a union instead of a dictatorship!

Vote: DPA

You can vote on side letters under ALPA as well. Both AirTran and FedEx have requirements for membership ratification of side letters. If you have a problem with that issue, then the problem is your MEC, and your pilot group for not pushing them, not your union.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

From Boeing:

-700 range is 3440 miles
-800 range is 3115 miles

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/specs.html

You are correct. Good fact finding. My 737 experience is quite old.

I like the above guys quote where he said they "sometimes barely" make it HNL out of SFO/OAK. Because if it only happened "sometimes" it would really be bad.

But SWA thinking it is gaining something by flying -800's is what is so wrong. -800's with 50 plus more seats than a retiring -300 leads to less than a 1 to 1 replacement and therefore less jobs.

The senior at SWA have once again sold out the junior. Argue that SWAPA spin masters.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

SWAPO is a dictatorship as well.

SWAPO funds educational issues without pilot input. Age 65's propaganda campaign was a SWAPO funded railroad job on the SWA Fo's till most of them woke up with a five year hang over.