Skywest

[ShadowFlight]

Does anyone know if Skywest will change their "no pay during training" policy after January 1, 2005?

Thanks

Peace

SF

 

[BigHangar]

I doubt it, why would management do anything proactively that would cost them more money, especially when labor is concerned. Once the SkyWest pilots get some union balls, they'll have a little power to right those idiotic practices.

 

[strega7]

Yeah like the ALPA union stopped PFT at Comair in the 90's. Unions are not the answer.

 

[SkyWstman]

The only way for them to change the policy is if people like yourself would refuse to show up for class because they don't pay you while in training. But why do that when someone is right behind you willing to do it if you don't. You might as well just keep on moving forward.

 

[stillflyn]

Skywest guys,

Did you guys get another home-made name tag for bags again on Christmas? I'm still waiting on mine.... was lost in comat. Hopefully you all got something a little better this year.

Merry Christmas,

Stillflyn

 

[tired_pilot]

Apply somewhere else

Apply somewhere that treats you better. Skywest isnt what it used to be. We as pilots need to take a stand and bring some dignity back to this industry.

 

[SkyWstman]

ShadowFlight turned down the job because of no pay while in training.
I'm proud of you. I hope there are more people out there that are willing to say enough is enough. It realy is up to us as pilots to turn this industry around. The problem is getting every one on board.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Yeah like the ALPA union stopped PFT at Comair in the 90's. Unions are not the answer.

What is the answer then? Have you ever been in a union?

 

[propjockey]

It's not just the airlines

The answer? Probably a dictatorship. Seriously. Or at least hefty tariffs on cheap imported goods and a ban on outsourcing of (at least certain types) of jobs overseas.

As long as people in this country are "free," they'll do as they please, especially on the macro level. Herd mentality is very strong. As I've said before, it's not just airlines that are riding this downward spiral, or the "race to the bottom" as so many like to put it. Think about it the next time you go to Wal-Mart and buy something made in China that was once made with US labor many years ago. You can barely even find stuff made in Japan anymore. And now it's not just low-skill jobs that are being shipped overseas. High-tech jobs are going to India, too. I heard on the radio a couple weeks ago that some hospitals are sending MRI output electronically to India to be read by cheaper doctors there.

I believe in the free market, but I also believe you have to have parity. When jobs are being sent to countries where labor costs 1/10th what it does here, there is no parity whatsoever -- hence, the "race to the bottom."

Look around you. We're ALL selling each other down the river -- not just the airlines! Scary? Yes. Deflation is more dangerous to an economy than Inflation.

 

[homerjdispatch]

Skywest guys,

Did you guys get another home-made name tag for bags again on Christmas? I'm still waiting on mine.... was lost in comat. Hopefully you all got something a little better this year.

Merry Christmas,

Stillflyn

I think everyone at SkyWest got a free turkey this year.

 

[BONAFIED]

SKYW 18.15

 

[Cosmo1999]

Does anyone know when the next RJ class is being held? Interviewed and got a letter saying I was put into a pool for an RJ class. I got all the packets in the mail but wasnt sure how long I could expect to be in the pool. I was under the impression the pool was empty so im assuming not too long hopefully. Also what are the chances of getting SLC right out of training. Thanks for the info

 

[propjockey]

Could be a little while. Lots of Brasilia FOs who have been seatlocked are being released for transition over the next several months. They'll get first dibs on any RJ class spots. If there aren't enough transitions to fill a class, then they'll draw from poolies.

 

[strega7]

skyw 18.15

20.35 today and climbing!

 

[skystud25]

There's an RJ class beginning 2/14, I'll be in it.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Good thing you don't have a mortgage, then.

 

[HowlinMadMurdoc]

20.35 today and climbing!

So? How long will it take you to make up for the loss of pay during training?

Skywest needs to change their "no pay during training" policy. Some might believe that going through training unpaid is a sign of enthusiasm. Wrong. It's a sign of either an applicant's deep pockets or a company not doing the "right" thing.

If Skywest has the expectation that newhires can survive without a paycheck for 2+ months, what's to prevent them from implementing other questionable policies?

Sorry but it's just wrong to not pay from day one of training.

HMM

 

[ArcticFlier]

Agreed............

So? How long will it take you to make up for the loss of pay during training?

Skywest needs to change their "no pay during training" policy. Some might believe that going through training unpaid is a sign of enthusiasm. Wrong. It's a sign of either an applicant's deep pockets or a company not doing the "right" thing.

If Skywest has the expectation that newhires can survive without a paycheck for 2+ months, what's to prevent them from implementing other questionable policies?

Sorry but it's just wrong to not pay from day one of training.

HMM

..............but SGU isn't going to change the policy, I doubt we as a pilot group will be able to change this. SKYW has this expectation for one reason, and one reason only: People have done it before and will do it again. So, the question is, what are 'you' (collectively)going to do about it? It's the only way it will get changed.


AF

 

[Gnarloo]

Just out of curiousity, doesn't Southwest make you buy a 737 type rating? I haven't seen anybody upset about that...seems like it's the same kind of thing. Plus, SkyWest may not pay for your training, but they do put you up and don't make you sign a contract (that I know of...)

 

[viper548]

I'd rather my room be paid for and not get paid than get paid during training, pay taxes, and then have to pay for my room myself. Of course, it would be best to get the room and get paid.

 

[embdrvr]

Just out of curiousity, doesn't Southwest make you buy a 737 type rating? I haven't seen anybody upset about that...seems like it's the same kind of thing. Plus, SkyWest may not pay for your training, but they do put you up and don't make you sign a contract (that I know of...)

Some village is missing its idiot.

SkyWest used to pay new hires and then stopped doing so. It seems to be hurting recruiting efforts because they can't find qualified RJ FO's and instead are having to release EMB FO's from their seatlock early. So you don't have to sign a training contract. Big fat hairy deal. Those contracts are difficult to enforce and it's hard to collect blood from a turnip. With half a billion in the bank they probably don't care if you leave early. Plenty of others like you willing to work for free for a few months.

SkyWest is a profitable airline. Most other regionals pay you from day one. Next thing you know you guys will be volunteering for PFT. When you decide to work for a 121 carrier it's time to start acting like a professional. You don't see doctors and lawyers volunteering to work for free unless it's for a charitable cause. No airline is a charitable cause. You should get paid from day one.

 

[embdrvr]

I'd rather my room be paid for and not get paid than get paid during training, pay taxes, and then have to pay for my room myself. Of course, it would be best to get the room and get paid.

Hey math whiz!

You could split the same hotel room for about 500 bucks a month.

Training pay used to be over 1200.

Taxes aren't that much at poverty level wages.

You'd really rather pay the difference out of pocket?

Bet you'd probably vote for pay cuts too.

 

[Clipper77]

"No airline is a charitable cause. You should get paid from day one."

Managment loves it to be a charitable cause; the numbers look really good when you have people working for free. They're laughing all the way to the bank with that policy.

 

[viper548]

Just imagine how happy they are when they have people that pay to interview or pay to get the job