Skywest

[wilde737]

I interviewed recently and was wondering if anyone else has heard anything? It's going to kill me waiting for the letter, one way or the other.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Sometimes no news is good news.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Hey,
Sometimes no news is no news.
Home Depot has profit sharing, and probably retirement too, it's never too late to apply!
PBR

 

[General Lee]

And you can show up drunk to work....

 

[wilde737]

General, I wish I was more of a smart _ _ _. I would know how better to respond, anyway, I was wondering how long people have been waiting to hear? PBR, back in the day I did apply to Home Depot, and they wouldn't take me!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Hey,
Apply again to the Home Depot, you might have their mins met, if not, build a shed, install some sprinklers in the lawn, rewire the kitchen lights, ect.
Your QOL will be better than at SKYW, you will make more money, and not have to submit to a divorce and miss your kids. In all likelyhood you will be going to some farflung domicile that will entail multi leg commutes.
Living the nightmare
PBR

 

[Bluto]

Skywest forced you to "submit" to a divorce? I'd quit if I were you. That's just not right. I'm sorry your job isn't going well, but blaming SkyWest for your divorce sounds a little ridiculous. Maybe you need to consider how your actions (choosing a career in aviation, choosing to commute, etc.) may have contributed to your problems. It sounds like you'd be happier at the Home Depot. You should go.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Alright Bluto,
SKYW did not force me to divorce, I watch the guys around me and wonder WTF? It seems like I constantly am talking to my coworkers about their breakup woes. Kids in distant states, visitation rights, divorce settlements, are a bit distressing. Listening to 20-30 somethings discussing the above issues. I am older than the above listed and have had other careers/jobs, some worse, some better. The guys who think that getting a job at SKYW is akin to grabbing the brass ring, leading to nirvana, wake up. You say 1000pic and I am gone, right? Where you gonna go? Stand in line with 1000's of other pilots with the same quals for a few jobs at Jetblue of Southwest? Your job at SKYW of any other regional, who would like you to stay for a few years then leave so they can keep employee longivity down and therefore costs. Not my theory, it was published in the company newspaper a few years ago.
Just trying to interject a little reality.
PBR

 

[ILStoMinimums]

Alright Bluto,
SKYW did not force me to divorce, I watch the guys around me and wonder WTF? It seems like I constantly am talking to my coworkers about their breakup woes. Kids in distant states, visitation rights, divorce settlements, are a bit distressing. Listening to 20-30 somethings discussing the above issues. I am older than the above listed and have had other careers/jobs, some worse, some better. The guys who think that getting a job at SKYW is akin to grabbing the brass ring, leading to nirvana, wake up. You say 1000pic and I am gone, right? Where you gonna go? Stand in line with 1000's of other pilots with the same quals for a few jobs at Jetblue of Southwest? Your job at SKYW of any other regional, who would like you to stay for a few years then leave so they can keep employee longivity down and therefore costs. Not my theory, it was published in the company newspaper a few years ago.
Just trying to interject a little reality.
PBR

How long have you been at SKW? Isn't life with seniority somewhat nice over there?

 

[Splert]

How long have you been at SKW? Isn't life with seniority somewhat nice over there?

Sure...The senior pilot's 4-day trip, that is around 85 hours away from base and which pays around 18 hours, starts on Monday instead of Friday. The junior guy will then fly a local on Tuesday. So your correct the senior guy does have it better.

Good Day

 

[PBRstreetgang]

How long have you been at SKW? Isn't life with seniority somewhat nice over there?

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I am senior enough to get my 1st choice(if you can call it that), and long enough to be able to say I have experienced enough to know what I am talking about. If any of you guys trying to get hired thinks the fast upgrade is right aroung the corner, think again you will be 1731+ in a long list of guys waiting to upgrade, transfer, transition. Domicile? I hope you live close to where ever you are assigned because commuting is getting more difficult with the new J.S. regs, if USair goes out, kiss your home goodbye, NRSA will be next to impossible relying on cabin seating. Houston, Colorado Springs, ORD, are currently junior for both seats & a/c. I wish I had better info for the wannabees, but given our current expansion, reserve rules and senority list, I wouldn't want to be on the bottom, or on reserve these days. Reserve duty is 5 on 2 off in theory, I just flew with a guy who had flown two 5 day trips, in 13 days. The only good scenario I can concieve of is if you are single, homeless, and living out of the trunk of your car(and liking it), you may get something that works for you, otherwise life will be tough. Think about living in the ORD, MRY, DEN area on $1300-1400(19.02x75=1426) GROSS take home, something less. Bottom line you are getting into an entry level job at the lowest level of the industry. If you don't think any or all of the above will test any relationship to the breaking point, come on over I got some swamp land real cheap, just needs a little drainage.
PBR

 

[ILStoMinimums]

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I am senior enough to get my 1st choice(if you can call it that), and long enough to be able to say I have experienced enough to know what I am talking about. If any of you guys trying to get hired thinks the fast upgrade is right aroung the corner, think again you will be 1731+ in a long list of guys waiting to upgrade, transfer, transition. Domicile? I hope you live close to where ever you are assigned because commuting is getting more difficult with the new J.S. regs, if USair goes out, kiss your home goodbye, NRSA will be next to impossible relying on cabin seating. Houston, Colorado Springs, ORD, are currently junior for both seats & a/c. I wish I had better info for the wannabees, but given our current expansion, reserve rules and senority list, I wouldn't want to be on the bottom, or on reserve these days. Reserve duty is 5 on 2 off in theory, I just flew with a guy who had flown two 5 day trips, in 13 days. The only good scenario I can concieve of is if you are single, homeless, and living out of the trunk of your car(and liking it), you may get something that works for you, otherwise life will be tough. Think about living in the ORD, MRY, DEN area on $1300-1400(19.02x75=1426) GROSS take home, something less. Bottom line you are getting into an entry level job at the lowest level of the industry. If you don't think any or all of the above will test any relationship to the breaking point, come on over I got some swamp land real cheap, just needs a little drainage.
PBR

Thanks for the info, I'm just wondering how come most other pilots aren't saying what you are? The ones I know over there are happy and aren't complaining. I have a firend who just got on a few months ago and says his pay checks are great....he is picking up open flying though.

 

[Rogue5]

Hey PBR,


Name any other regional you'd rather be at...

Yeah the industry is screwed, but things are better here than at any of the other places I have friends flying.

It's a job thats tough on relationships and the wallet (at least at first), but I think you make your decision, be happy for what you got, thankful you don't get screwed like many others around you, and if you really don't like it: Move on.
My $0.02.

 

[Splert]

be happy for what you got...and if you really don't like it: Move on.

That is exactly why we are all screwed.

Look mom, I fly a jet...

Good Grief...

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Hey PBR,


Name any other regional you'd rather be at...

Yeah the industry is screwed, but things are better here than at any of the other places I have friends flying.

It's a job thats tough on relationships and the wallet (at least at first), but I think you make your decision, be happy for what you got, thankful you don't get screwed like many others around you, and if you really don't like it: Move on.
My $0.02.

Any other regional- None
Better is a relative concept. The rest of your post sounds like kool-aid inspired, pollyanna tripe. The minute you are satisified with the job and its work conditions "the man" changes them for the worse, when you have been here as long as I have you will understand. Every time the policy manual revisions come out look at them, every change is in favor of the company, never the employee. PM me if you can find 1 instance of the policy manual change that was in favor of us. All of those policy manual you take for granted were negotiated by the original sapa, and the latest sapa has been in a seige mentality, I have been through enough of the policy changes to realize that any change will not benefit me or my coworkers. As far as"move on" maybe I will, maybe I will come to your domicile and bump you down. Or even worse maybe your domicile will be closing and you will have to start commuting, either way wake up and prepare for the future, chances are you 'aint gonna like the offerings. I hear ORD is nice in Dec. or Jan, that 2-3 leg commute will brighten your day(s) right up.
Jeez somebody wake him up
PBR

 

[JOPILOT]

PBR may be bitter but...

Look I dont usually say much on these sites, but PBR and SPLERT are unfortunately right! I may not be as bitter, although it is too bad that our the pilot group at " said " airline is a bunch of pussies. The management keeps living as if pilots were going to move on as soon as that 1000 pic comes along and keep there costs down. Now that there is few places for qualified individuals to go, they are stuck bidding worse and worse schedules designed to keep costs down and senior pilots larger hourly wages closer to the 80hr mark. THERE WILL BE NO IMPROVEMENT IN QOL UNTIL THIS AIRLINES PILOTS FORM A UNION! Until then every change will be in the favor of management, trips will continue to worsen, and wages will stay stagnant. Mangagement loves having so many domiciles, so pilots are dispursed and costs are spread around! Probably the #1 thing our pilot representation could fight for to increase the QOL at this airline is to get a TRIP RIG! Otherwise all the other BS; $1-$2 raise or the override that is due for the larger 70's is going to do nothing but supplement our crappy work rules and help degrade QOL.
All this being said it is important to note that this is a very strong company and I am very happy working here, I just dont commute, bid for weekends off, change seats without holding a line (or very close) and I have stayed at junior bases until I could live where I wanted and bid a line so I could see the wife and kids! I would not trade it for any job at home depot! Yeah it has its quirks but hopefully when our pilots finally take one too deep in the ass and have to live 12-18 months with the result of our corporate paid pilot reps' negotiations we will unionize and start to work things out with our own ideas of what is fair- not the companies! As for the above posts for Wilde737 and ILS to MINS no letter in 48 hours is probably not good news but you can interview 2 times in 6 mo. and usually the second is successful! and I am sure you will be able to find a happy life here! Lets all hope for the best and try to stay positive for ourselves and our families, SORRY about your situation PBR hope all gets better for you! JP

 

[sstearns2]

Hello,



The policy manual does not always change in the company's favor. They made Junior manning optional so we don't have to stop and think before we answer our phones on our days off. They gave ORD a 2 hour reserve callout that may spread to other bases. We now have the ASAP program (similar to a NASA form but with much better protection for the pilot) that is all SAPA that has really saved some careers around here.



Aside from the bucket reserve system how has our policy manual change for the worse?



Scott



ps - The bucket reserve system basically means that the company will not split up an open trip between junior reserve pilots in order to keep the senior reserve pilot that could cover the whole trip at home. Splitting a trip usually requires extra hotel rooms and deadhead legs. Does anyone out there not use a bucket reserve system??

 

[Russ]

As far as JM not being mandatory, that was done because no one was answering the phone on the day off, myself included. The ORD extended callout was a reflection of the distances involved. These measures were taken by to simply keep the company staffed despite being short.

I really hope your not trying to justify the bucket system.

As to ASAP, talk to the PIC involved in the RAP incident and ask him what he thinks of ASAP. Search the SkyWest forums and find out how a pilot in need was treated by it. SAPA forum I believe, a few months ago. If ever there was a pilot in need it was him and it failed him.

How has the PM changed?

How about extensive use of ready reserve. Try RR after a stand up. Dangerous.

A better question is what's not in the PM that should be there as far as policies. Even members of managements PR arm, SAPA are openly showing signs of disatisfaction.

 

[Paul R. Smith]

Hello,



They gave ORD a 2 hour reserve callout that may spread to other bases. We now have the ASAP program (similar to a NASA form but with much better protection for the pilot) that is all SAPA that has really saved some careers around here.

You mean Skywest does not have a 2 hour callout system wide? How in the hell are you supposed to get to your show with less than 2 hours.

Man I feel sorry for you guys.

btw..Everybody whose anybody has got ASAP.

 

[Rogue5]

One of the reasons I'm not hanging my head too low as of late is because according to our latest SAPA updates, MGMT has agreed to a pay INCREASE, work on the 50/70 split with a variable blended rate based on fleet size, and a new bonus program based on your earnings with a lower trigger.


Policy manual details are generally bending inthe direction of management, and this needs to be worked on, but getting more money while others around you are in the process of give backs, and taking on many jets with the associated movement and upgrades is, to me, a good thing.

Other personal QOL things are subjective. I live in my domicile and am generally satisifed with my bid position in domicile. If I chose to live elsewhere, well, commuting sucks. Thats why I won't do it.