SkyWest Union Question

[jayme]

It all comes down to this: If you were involved in an incident (from breaking an FAR to breaking an airplane), who would you rather have fighting for you? ALPA or SAPA?

It's crystal clear to me.

 

[SkyNation]

I'm not going to make the mistake of buying into that type of thought again. This should be a rational decision where facts are considered rather than emotional appeals.

-Goose

Sounds very wise. Good luck with your decision.

 

[USCtrojan]

maybe? MAYBE EVEN A YEAR?! try 3-6.

ASA's TA took them 5 years. This was from an experienced MEC. ours will be a rookie MEC, and if it happens count on them saying 'hey guys, give us a break. this was our first one, it'll get better with the next one,' and on and on and on.

haters! pile on now with how SAPA is worse, JA is the devil, you're just looking out for us in the industry, blah blah blah blah.

I guess every SkyWest thread for the next month or two will go down this same road. yipppee!

SkyWhore,

Your stupidity strikes again. Let me point out that when we opened negotiations in Sept. 2002, it was almost EXACTLY the 1 year anniversary to Sept. 11. Hopefully you do recall what happened on that day. The Union's stance was to stall and drag things out allowing the Company and the Industry to deal with the mess. As the industry recovered, negotiations were now being stalled by Ford and Harrison (that law firm your caring Jerry just hired) After the buyout, strategies changed. And the Company now stalled. Then they started the Union Busting tactics which cost them a lot of money (transfer of airplanes, shutting down of domiciles, etc.) You see, we did NOT whore ourselves out like YOU want. We stood and stand strong holding the line. That line which you claim does not exist. That line that many of your brothers and sisters at SkyWest want to uphold. I'm beginning to think you are a Mgmt. lacky on this Board.

Trojan

 

[Stifler's Mom]

SkyWhore,

I'm beginning to think you are a Mgmt. lacky on this Board.

Trojan

He has got to be management. I have never seen someone so desperate to basically be the 3rd or 4th post on every thread.

Somebody throw SkyNation a life preserver....he's fallen head first into the KoolAid deep end.

 

[Jmoney]

Management tool.....

He has got to be management. I have never seen someone so desperate to basically be the 3rd or 4th post on every thread.

Somebody throw SkyNation a life preserver....he's fallen head first into the KoolAid deep end.

Yep, I agree Skynation is almost certainly a management tool.
Know who he reminds me of? BW with the gay cowboy hat! That jackoff is "beach boy" here, but he constantly writes letters to the editor of pretty much any and every paper that will print him-always bashing ALPA.

I have no idea what is wrong with these people, other than they are so self-absorbed they can't see any virtue to anything that is not in their short-term personal self-interest. These guys are not interested in helping their fellow pilots-just screwing anyone and everyone but themselves..
-Suckit Skynation!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

A special dedication to SKYW Pilots: Pack Vaseline!

Since my days as a non-fancy lad are coming to an end, the time has come to address the new-hire classes of 1999. You'll have to play that creepy top-40 tune in your head as you read this, this version is called....

PACK VASELINE


Pack Vaseline in your flight kit. This is the only concrete advice I can give you. Studies have proven that packing Vaseline in your flight kit will ease the pain as any one of Hulas' monkey soldiers slides you the dry, sand-coated salami up where the sun don't shine while you're bent over some technicality or black-and-white self-serving interpretation of the rules while they whip you upside the head with their despicable yet unique lack of ethical behavior. Pack Vaseline, my friends.

The rest of my advice is simply the ramblings of another burned-out idiot Captain based on over three years of survival in the Aviation version of Shawshank.

Remember grandpa's rules for self defense: Deny, deny, deny, and make counter-accusations. Example: "I turned in that Irregularity Report on time, I did just what you said and slid it under the door after hours, I never break the rules, maybe YOUR staff lost the report!"

Always be polite. When you yell or get angry you just look like a jackass. It makes the rest of us look like idiots. Shouting and pissing contests are for the weak. Be passive-aggressive. Accept the reroute cheerfully on the in-range call then [very diplomatically] call in fatigued when you get in. Eventually they will get the point and stop messing with you. Think before you speak.

Make an effort to enjoy the flying. You are working at a commuter airline. Enjoy the VFR patters, circling, and non-towered operations. It may be the last time you experience these things in your career.

Stop whining. Your spouse doesn't like it, your parents don't like it, the F/O HATES it, and the Captain can barely tolerate your chicken-******************** rambling about low-pay and bad schedules. They don't ask garbage men during their interviews if they mind getting their hands dirty, they didn't ask you if you minded working at a commuter because that's where you just applied. Redirect your negative energy into something useful like volunteering for an ALPA position and fighting for change.

Maybe you'll pass training
Maybe you won't
Maybe you'll bust upgrade,
Maybe you won't
Maybe you'll be fired out of SVT,
Maybe you won't

But you will be expected to do a good job flying the line by other pilots.
And at some point management will accuse you of being part of a broad, far-reaching conspiracy-because they are bitter old losers. And the next telephone call could be USAirways calling to recruit you despite your on-the-job performance.

Don't be too proud to be flying your aircraft. Most of the passengers think that ATRs are the smallest thing they've ever been on. A Jetstream is bigger than a 152 or a Baron but remember folks it is just a Jetstream. Instead, wow yourself with being a really good First Officer. Fly your best whenever you can. Then you'll find upgrade isn't so bad after all.

Listen carefully to everything the old farts have to say. They may be eccentric, eclectic, or downright offensive -- but after you work for Hulas for 10 years you will be too. 10 years without getting fired or fed-up is pretty damn impressive. These guys will show you how to survive and have fun. But -
If they are overly negative don't be afraid to ask them to quit their job and get out of your seat.

Fill out the paperwork, it may save your ass someday. If you've been here more than 18 months and you haven't filled out an Irregularity form, Hotel Incident Report, Trip Report (at least six), or filed a Grievance then you just aren't with us, are you?

If you are single, date as many people as you can- taking advantage of your mobility. This will enrich your life beyond your wildest expectations. If you are married or steady with someone then don't cheat. This will destroy your life and add more stress than you can imagine.

Maybe you'll be fun to fly with
Maybe you won't
Maybe you'll marry a pilot and have kids
Maybe you won't
Maybe you'll overcome your gender-biased attitudes
I seriously doubt that
Maybe you will be able to control the frustration
Maybe you won't

But one thing's for certain - I hope to see all of you someday in the show.
The past three years were the best and the worst I could ask for.
And you all
should pack
Vaseline.
Good-bye and good luck!

-Austin Hondo

 

[Skywest Pylot]

And to answer your question, no, not to a union carrier. In fact, if everything goes according to plan, I wouldn't be going to a carrier at all, union or non. Flying at a major just isn't a career goal of mine, niether is being a lifer at a regional. I would explain why, but I think that's a separate issue entirely and I won't get into that here.

So are you saying that you are planning on staying at Skywest for the rest of your career?

By the same token, I can't say it would never happen--you never know what life will hand you. And in that case, I would work at a union carrier and happily do so.

Care to give an example?

there seems to be no short supply of hotheads on either side of this issue, demanding that one think and act a certain way. I'm not going to make the mistake of buying into that type of thought again. This should be a rational decision where facts are considered rather than emotional appeals.

Agreed

 

[~~~^~~~]

Rez - Brilliant post.

 

[Goose Egg]

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[120% Torque]

This should be a rational decision where facts are considered rather than emotional appeals.

-Goose

Goose are you really interested in facts? I want your honest opinion on some facts regarding Sapa...stepping away from the polarizing arguements on alpa for a minute, I just want you to focus on this question below regarding sapa.

Please read here where it is outlined "Issue" and "Outcome". I want you to give me your best assessment on the effectiveness of Sapa? Thanks for being objective and seeking factual information in your quest to make the best decisions.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=103812

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez - Brilliant post.

Fins-

The only credit I shall take is cut n paste. Austin Hondo is my hero. He has the ability to do a complete socio-psych-up on someone after spending 10 mins with them. He ran circles around his supervisors...he'd get them so angry but never angry at him. Total skill and mastery. Jedi mind tricks he did. When He talks, I listen. He can run spec-ops, black ops or in your face ops. Supervisors would have no clue what was going on...

Checkrides are childs play to him. Inside of 10 minutes he'd know the examiners strengths and weaknesses and by the end of the checkride the examiner listened while he talked.

He was a TSA pilot before he went to Midway and got the 9-11 hammer. He's done great things since then......