Skywest to charge for PC's?

[Flightdawg]

Yeah ok, read some of the above posts regarding union airlines having to do the same thing.

How long do you think that will last? It is bad precedent for a union to allow this to continue. Sure, now it's just non-citizens. What if TSA or the FAA decides every pilot needs an annual background check? If this present charge is not contested and defeated, then the precedent is set. If a future charge is imposed and DAL ALPA or some other airline contests it then, an arbitrator would look at past precedent as a guide and the odds of a union winning the arbitration would be diminished.

This isn't simply about background checks either. It is the entire principle of airline management passing down costs directly to pilots. What next, sim time for PC checks? Fuel surcharge for overweight Captains? It's bad precedent and needs to be stopped cold. A unionized pilot group has a much better shot at stopping it than a non-unionized pilot group.

 

[Cambereffect]

How long do you think that will last? It is bad precedent for a union to allow this to continue. Sure, now it's just non-citizens. What if TSA or the FAA decides every pilot needs an annual background check? If this present charge is not contested and defeated, then the precedent is set. If a future charge is imposed and DAL ALPA or some other airline contests it then, an arbitrator would look at past precedent as a guide and the odds of a union winning the arbitration would be diminished.

This isn't simply about background checks either. It is the entire principle of airline management passing down costs directly to pilots. What next, sim time for PC checks? Fuel surcharge for overweight Captains? It's bad precedent and needs to be stopped cold. A unionized pilot group has a much better shot at stopping it than a non-unionized pilot group.

I agree with you, I was just pointing out the idiotic statement, connecting non-union and fee, the guy above me posted...

 

[PBRstreetgang]

How long do you think that will last? It is bad precedent for a union to allow this to continue. Sure, now it's just non-citizens. What if TSA or the FAA decides every pilot needs an annual background check? If this present charge is not contested and defeated, then the precedent is set. If a future charge is imposed and DAL ALPA or some other airline contests it then, an arbitrator would look at past precedent as a guide and the odds of a union winning the arbitration would be diminished.

This isn't simply about background checks either. It is the entire principle of airline management passing down costs directly to pilots. What next, sim time for PC checks? Fuel surcharge for overweight Captains? It's bad precedent and needs to be stopped cold. A unionized pilot group has a much better shot at stopping it than a non-unionized pilot group.

You are flat out wrong! If you are a union pilot, biatch slap yourself, if you are a non-union pilot, biatch slap yourself. If it is not detailed in the contract(CBA), or language that covers it, you get to pay for it. Plain and simple. Reality suks!
PBR

 

[Kenny]

Personally I'd love to bitch slap the idiot that came up with this asinine rule.

A few pilots at AWAC filed a grievance about this or the $150 fingerprint fee to upgrade, can't remember which and it was denied. There's not much else you can do.

 

[Flightdawg]

You are flat out wrong! If you are a union pilot, biatch slap yourself,

WTF are you talking about?

 

[727gm]

I was just pointing out the idiotic statement

Idiotic statement?

Perhaps I should have said "This is what happens when your company doesn't have a union, or has an ineffective union with an apathetic membership."

The cost of doing business must not be passed on to crewmembers.

 

[JoeMerchant]

An FAA medical is a cost of doing business...How many carriers pay for that?

 

[s.o.sJTB]

An FAA medical is a cost of doing business...How many carriers pay for that?

An FAA medical is a requirement to have as a pre-requisite for any airline interview, along with a Commercial certificate (how many airlines pay for that?) it is the employee's job to maintain their qualification's they were hired with. I dont know of any airline that charges for its original background check once you are hired, I dont know of any airline that makes one pay for the fee's associated with the background check for SIDA badges.

 

[appendix]

An FAA medical is a cost of doing business...How many carriers pay for that?

The FAA medical fee does not discriminate between non-US citizens and US citizens. Everyone has to do it.

To the contrary the TSA fee for PCs is very discriminatory and targets only non-US citizens. Again, this is in violation of Employment Law.

Again, IMHO all pilots should get a background check at every PC event if the TSA wants to enforce the fee. There is no guarantee that a US citizen is less "risky" than a non-US citizen, examples:....Fort Hood, OKC city ect....

 

[Jiminmem]

An FAA medical is a cost of doing business...How many carriers pay for that?

My medical is company covered.

 

[727gm]

An FAA medical is a cost of doing business

It is not the cost of doing business, you need it to fly for ANY comercial operation, even self-employment, and it is required for all your private flying also.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

An FAA medical is a cost of doing business...How many carriers pay for that?

.............says the ****************************** bag who paid for his training!
BTW, I know of one airline that reimburses its pilots for their medicals!
(Hint: You couldn't get hired there either):crying:

 

[Captain X]

This TSA rule is part of the Patriot Act, which in many areas is unconstitutional...thank you George W!

The new clearance required by TSA is to keep "risky" pilots out of the cockpit. The problem is that the "very naive Bush administration"...

You are referring to the same Patriot Act (HR 3162) that all but 2 Democratic Senators voted in favor of, correct?
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00313

And you do realize the Democrats had the ability to kill this bill since they did control the Senate by a seat at the time it was passed?

Be sure to give credit where credit is due and thank all the politicians that were in office, not just the Republicans.

Oh but I forgot...it's ALL Bush's fault.

 

[skywav8r]

This is just another grab at money. Eventually the TSA may make a grab for more money by applying this rule to ALL pilots, citizen and alien. This is a lame attempt to disguise a money grab....see, its part of the appropriations act of 2009. Appropriations act = take your money.
The government has come for the aliens wallet, watch out citizens, your next.


The Consolidated Security, Disaster Assistance, and Continuing Appropriations Act, 2009 (Appropriations Act of 2009), which amends 6 U.S.C. 469, requires the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security to (1) establish a process to determine that an alien who takes recurrent flight training is properly identified and does not pose a threat to aviation or national security; and (2) impose reasonable fees to recoup the cost of checking recurrent training candidates. Training requests under Category 4 for recurrent training will undergo the following changes starting May 13th 2009:

 

[difete]

You think once they get away with this, they wont do it to the US citizen pilots too? Last time i checked my sources, the "Oklahoma bomber" was a white (caucasian) US citizen. Terrorists have no skin color, or nationality, only "biased" media attention.

It will only take a white dude to do a terrorist attack in this "TSA" era, and all of you (citizens) will pay background checks too. God forbid it happens... You are all Loosing your freedom, one bit at a time. I hope you reconsider your biased opinions on hard working, "tax paying", green card holders. Many which are even fighting for "your freedoms" in the middle east.

Many of us, just didnt happen to have $700 US sitting in the bank to apply for a US citizenship. But then again, you maybe didnt know how much the cost was to begin with.

 

[difete]

Today Skywest Announced to all non-US citizens, that the Airline has decided to reimburse the TSA fee for PC's, and also reimburse for pilot medicals.

I am glad my airline has stepped in, but, I do not think it is the airline's responsibility anyway, the government should not charge that anyway. All the information they want on that "background" can be readily obtained from the FBI (Fingerprints), the FAA (Certificates), the AME's (Medical, aslo can be obtained from the FAA), Passport (From immigration dept). Do not know what that fee is going for, if the non-us citizens have to provide all that info all the time every PC.

To the powers that be who made this happen,

Thank you.

Now where is that I-501 form again?

lol.

 

[Flightdawg]

It will only take a white dude to do a terrorist attack in this "TSA" era, and all of you (citizens) will pay background checks too.

Agreed. I support the background checks, but the company needs to cover the costs are part of doing business.

 

[samballs]

An FAA medical is a cost of doing business...How many carriers pay for that?

OH pays for it