Skywest taking ASA planes (non-union-taking union work)

[Longhorn]

:angryfire
Airtime....knock it off. Calling a group of pilots scabs...who are not scabs will not be tolerated on this site. You need to go back and look up what a scab is before coming on here and expressing comments about what you obviously know nothing about. I don't get PO'd about much but calling others scabs when they are not is enough to upset many here...including myself.

lh

 

[Going2Baja]

Perfectly said Widow's Son!!!

Baja.

 

[accinelli]

ALPA is planning a big push for Skywest pilots to join. Skywest is offering their pilots alot of growth and a raise !!

Alot of Skywest pilots say they are not voting in favor of ALPA, but will fly ASA planes and routes !!

And your point is?

 

[wms]

It's not scab but it is A La Lorenzo. It's designed to try to break the union and possibly dissolve or absorb ASA. And since It's happening while we're in negotiations it may not be legal. Hopefully ALPA has put down the hotdogs and is looking onto this.

 

[COOPERVANE]

And do what? I'm so tired of ALPA inaction over, and over, and over

 

[sweptback]

And do what? I'm so tired of ALPA inaction over, and over, and over

Tell me what ALPA should do. Transferring airplanes is legal per our current contract.

We could file a lawsuit, but there's no guarantee it will go smoothly. There is some horrible case law here -- reference Pan Am mk. III/Boston Maine Airways. However I don't believe they were in Sec. 6 negotiations at the time and that may be a key difference.

 

[ASADriver]

Tell me what ALPA should do. Transferring airplanes is legal per our current contract.

We could file a lawsuit, but we will lose. There is some horrible case law here -- reference Pan Am mk. III/Boston Maine Airways.

Then why are ALPA reps. in the crew lounge telling pilots they will win this lawsuit and prevent Skywest from transferring airplanes? They told me that ALPA is filing a lawsuit to stop the transfer and that I don't need to worry about Skywest transferring airplanes. Was he lying?

 

[sweptback]

Then why are ALPA reps. in the crew lounge telling pilots they will win this lawsuit and prevent Skywest from transferring airplanes? They told me that ALPA is filing a lawsuit to stop the transfer and that I don't need to worry about Skywest transferring airplanes. Was he lying?

I edited my post above to make it a little clearer. There's always a chance that a favorable judge could grant an injunction. I am not a rep so they are obviously more privy to information about the case than I.

There have also been cases that have been won that are similar. For instance, I believe the Delta pilots were dinged not too long ago for refusing to pick up open time even though it is clearly optional to do so. Transferring airplanes could be construed as illegal self-help just as refusing to pick up open time was. All it takes are some fancy lawyers and a favorable judge.

Note that we have actually gained one airplane recently. As far as I know we have received 2 GECAS 200s since N701EV/N609SK left our fleet. Management may have their bases covered on this one if they keep giving us 200s as we lose 700s.

 

[Whataboutbob]

I was told that since ASA pilots have a contract with their management. And ASA airlines has a contract with Delta that can be cancelled at any time. ASA pilots go on strike against their contract with management, which causes Delta to cancel their contract with ASA , which means ASA doesn't have any more work. Hence no struck work to qualify those who pick it up as scabs.

 

[ASARJMan]

I was told that since ASA pilots have a contract with their management. And ASA airlines has a contract with Delta that can be cancelled at any time. ASA pilots go on strike against their contract with management, which causes Delta to cancel their contract with ASA , which means ASA doesn't have any more work. Hence no struck work to qualify those who pick it up as scabs.

Yeah, right.........geeezzzzzzz!

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