Skywest taking ASA planes (non-union-taking union work)

[sweptback]

And do what? I'm so tired of ALPA inaction over, and over, and over

Tell me what ALPA should do. Transferring airplanes is legal per our current contract.

We could file a lawsuit, but there's no guarantee it will go smoothly. There is some horrible case law here -- reference Pan Am mk. III/Boston Maine Airways. However I don't believe they were in Sec. 6 negotiations at the time and that may be a key difference.

 

[ASADriver]

Tell me what ALPA should do. Transferring airplanes is legal per our current contract.

We could file a lawsuit, but we will lose. There is some horrible case law here -- reference Pan Am mk. III/Boston Maine Airways.

Then why are ALPA reps. in the crew lounge telling pilots they will win this lawsuit and prevent Skywest from transferring airplanes? They told me that ALPA is filing a lawsuit to stop the transfer and that I don't need to worry about Skywest transferring airplanes. Was he lying?

 

[sweptback]

Then why are ALPA reps. in the crew lounge telling pilots they will win this lawsuit and prevent Skywest from transferring airplanes? They told me that ALPA is filing a lawsuit to stop the transfer and that I don't need to worry about Skywest transferring airplanes. Was he lying?

I edited my post above to make it a little clearer. There's always a chance that a favorable judge could grant an injunction. I am not a rep so they are obviously more privy to information about the case than I.

There have also been cases that have been won that are similar. For instance, I believe the Delta pilots were dinged not too long ago for refusing to pick up open time even though it is clearly optional to do so. Transferring airplanes could be construed as illegal self-help just as refusing to pick up open time was. All it takes are some fancy lawyers and a favorable judge.

Note that we have actually gained one airplane recently. As far as I know we have received 2 GECAS 200s since N701EV/N609SK left our fleet. Management may have their bases covered on this one if they keep giving us 200s as we lose 700s.

 

[Whataboutbob]

I was told that since ASA pilots have a contract with their management. And ASA airlines has a contract with Delta that can be cancelled at any time. ASA pilots go on strike against their contract with management, which causes Delta to cancel their contract with ASA , which means ASA doesn't have any more work. Hence no struck work to qualify those who pick it up as scabs.

 

[ASARJMan]

I was told that since ASA pilots have a contract with their management. And ASA airlines has a contract with Delta that can be cancelled at any time. ASA pilots go on strike against their contract with management, which causes Delta to cancel their contract with ASA , which means ASA doesn't have any more work. Hence no struck work to qualify those who pick it up as scabs.

Yeah, right.........geeezzzzzzz!

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[ASADriver]

I edited my post above to make it a little clearer. There's always a chance that a favorable judge could grant an injunction. I am not a rep so they are obviously more privy to information about the case than I.

There have also been cases that have been won that are similar. For instance, I believe the Delta pilots were dinged not too long ago for refusing to pick up open time even though it is clearly optional to do so. Transferring airplanes could be construed as illegal self-help just as refusing to pick up open time was. All it takes are some fancy lawyers and a favorable judge.

Note that we have actually gained one airplane recently. As far as I know we have received 2 GECAS 200s since N701EV/N609SK left our fleet. Management may have their bases covered on this one if they keep giving us 200s as we lose 700s.

You have a future with ALPA - changing your story. That's what I find most of the ALPA reps. do. This lawsuit will fail, our request for a release will fail, ALPA will talk tough, Jerry will transfer airplanes,etc. etc. etc. By the way 701 and 702 have left.

 

[MarineGrunt]

I was told that since ASA pilots have a contract with their management. And ASA airlines has a contract with Delta that can be cancelled at any time. ASA pilots go on strike against their contract with management, which causes Delta to cancel their contract with ASA , which means ASA doesn't have any more work. Hence no struck work to qualify those who pick it up as scabs.

Maybe, but I sort of doubt the rest of the industry would see it that way. I think we're in the same class, because I heard the same thing - I'm just trying to forget I ever heard it [fingers in ears] LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA ...............

 

[BigPappa]

I would not wanna be a Skywest pilot applying at any ALPA majors (most of them); that is if ASA was to strike and Skywest was to fly their planes and routes.

 

[pilotlbs]

Better luck next time

skywest pilots are scabs

6 Months to reapply so relax.

 

[txpilot1974]

skywest pilots are scabs

Did the ATC 810 eat your lunch or did they not hire you because your an idiot?

 

[ASARJMan]

You have a future with ALPA - changing your story. That's what I find most of the ALPA reps. do. This lawsuit will fail, our request for a release will fail, ALPA will talk tough, Jerry will transfer airplanes,etc. etc. etc. By the way 701 and 702 have left.

Wah wah wah! The sky is falling, the sky is falling! Back to your management cubicle you rat!

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[Going2Baja]

I would not wanna be a Skywest pilot applying at any ALPA majors (most of them); that is if ASA was to strike and Skywest was to fly their planes and routes.

The last few Alaska classes were 1/2 SkyW or close to it....Any more comments smart guy?

Baja.