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goahead said:Jesus, you guys need to get a fu_king life, lets see.... playoffs this weekend college basketball is on right now.... beer is on sale again......etc.....
Illinois said:General - Didn't UPS fly multiple airframes for the same rate before SKYW?
Heavy Set - We overwelmingly turned down the last pay proposal. Caving?
You both can justifiably criticize SKYW for many things, but check your facts when you do please. We aren't the pilot group we were a couple of year's ago.
General Lee said:And CAL has grouped their planes into "narrowbody and widebody." There is actually a pay difference there, and at UPS they are paid a heck of a lot more than you are. UPS has their pay on the HIGH side (not the low side like you guys---flying CR7s for CR2 wages) and the senior guys fly smaller planes (the 727) for the same higher wage of the 747. That is the way to do it. You have it backwards. You accepted the same low pay for the larger aircraft. We brought our 757 pay up to the 767 pay. Got it yet?Bye Bye--General Lee
Rogue5 said:General, you are comparing apples to oranges: SkyWest is a regional airline, a lift-provider to its mainline partner, and as such is a stepping-stone career wise to its pilots.
Do you disparage yourself for the wages you agreed to accept when flying your commuter plane out of MDW? It allowed you to advance to your position at a major, so how could you throw stones at those who follow in your steps?
General Lee said:I didn't advocate Midway Connection getting larger planes, I actively went out looking for better employment when I could. I didn't want to bring bigger planes DOWN to the "commuter level" (what we had back then--not a regional yet)--I wanted to go fly bigger planes at a bigger airline. The people at SkyWest cannot see that. CAL is hiring----go for it guys. And, I liked getting a raise when I went to the left seat of that E120, it was a lot more than the left seat of the Dornier 228. That isn't the case at SkyWest.
Bye Bye--General Lee
Rogue5 said:Might I be so bold, oh glorious General, to suggest that you might not have any idea as to what you are talking about with respect to me and my fellow SkyWesters? Almost every Captain I know that has 1,000 hours PIC is beating down every door they can to make their move to the next level, and many are moving on: to jetBlue, to CAL, to SWA...
But might I also be so bold as to suggest that times currently are not so prosperous as they were when you made you giant leap to the majors? Perhaps the pilots at SkyWest are not moving just as quick as they may choose because just maybe, there are not so many jobs at the majors to be had as there once were before.
PLEASE do us all the favor of holding back you condescension in your attempts to tell us that jobs gained at the regionals are jobs lost at the majors. We all know this: you are not some enlightened messiah come down from on high at the Majors board to enlighten us lowly regional pilots.
We get it guy, thanks for the update.
Here's another one for you: We can't do anything to stop it.
Who can? YOU, General.
YOU, General, have the leverage to negotiate iron-clad scope to keep those jobs at the major level. YOU, General, have the leverage to initiate a work-action that will directly affect your company's future, rather that just force them to outsource to another lift-provider. YOU, General, have the full support of ALPA, without any conflict of interest, to coerce your company into establishing a precedent that the industry can follow.
Regional airlines, my dear, are just better paid commuter airlines with jets instead of turboprops.
We're all waiting for you guys to make a stand to protect your jobs, because just as those who came before you, you protect yourself by providing for those who follow...