SkyWest showing videos of crippled folks and.......

[Rez O. Lewshun]

PBR, very well said, I completely agree with everything you said.

Especially your last sentence!

Rez, it was richards like you that killed literally thousands of votes during the last drive, do everyone a favor and STFU.

Yet he said nothing except I diagree. Look populism and American idol are fun to watch. As a marginalized wage worker with no real responsbilites in this line of work there isn't much expectation.... in fact, posting "yeah what he said" is about right for you....

Killed thousands of votes? Guys getting upset over what is read on a moniker message board? Actually it was "cow/milk" reasoning combined with jaded pilots from mesa/tsa.......

What is it about your own work rules, labor protections and voice in Wash DC that you don't like?

When can I expect your game plan for an in house union at Skywest? Let's start with a budget. What will be your dues rate?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Guys, this isn't difficult.... is it?


So young 20 something stud passes his RJ SIC checkride at Skywest, gets thru IOE and is released to "fly the line".... Is he a professional? If so why? Because the FAA said so? Because he has a Skywest Creed? Just because?

Can we be professional if we can't even define it? Are you professional just because we say we are?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Guys, this isn't difficult.... is it?


So young 20 something stud passes his RJ SIC checkride at Skywest, gets thru IOE and is released to "fly the line".... Is he a professional? If so why? Because the FAA said so? Because he has a Skywest Creed? Just because?

Can we be professional if we can't even define it? Are you professional just because we say we are?

No its not, you are making some mysterious correlation between being ALPA and professional, and if you aren't ALPA you cannot be professional as per your definition. Professionalism is an approach to an endeavor, is Arnold Palmer a professional? He isn't ALPA nor even union(gasp). Rez your rhetoric is tired at best and ignorant at worst, trust me ALPA needs cheerleaders, just not your kind. I do believe SKYW needs ALPA, for all the reasons discussed, unfortunately you give all the naysayers ample fuel to refute the need.
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Rez,
11. a person who earns a living in a sport or other occupation frequently engaged in by amateurs: a former airline pilot, now a troll on F/I.

 

[ePilot22]

Guys, this isn't difficult.... is it?


So young 20 something stud passes his RJ SIC checkride at Skywest, gets thru IOE and is released to "fly the line".... Is he a professional? If so why? Because the FAA said so? Because he has a Skywest Creed? Just because?

Can we be professional if we can't even define it? Are you professional just because we say we are?

yawn.



eP.

 

[AirCobra]

Look either you can define professionalism or you cannot. You are showing your inabilities....


I became a professional when I gained a CoE (not a creed), representation both locally and nationally and I had a CBA to enforce my PIC/SIC authority. In other words I had the ability to look out for the public's interest and not be coerced into operating for only company profits



That is correct. The company I flew the 3 for was a joke and they went BK.


JB= unprofessional. How do JB pilots get to claim to be professionals without the effort, status and requirements? Isn't that what the Tim Martins failure was all about? He was something he was not. Is the ALPA CoE applicable to JB pilots? If so, why? If not, then what defines JB pilots as professional?

SWAPA = professional, although they do need a CoE as stated by the FAA.

Still waiting for you to quantify professionalism. Can you define professionalism at your non airline job?

:laugh:

Rez you are a kook! Say goodnight Irene.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Let's simplify it....

Air Line Pilots must do the following to promote, protect and defend the profession:

• Exercise the First Amendment. (The right to petition the government)
• Codify work rules and protections via a Collective Bargaining Agreement within the RLA
• Establish a Code of Ethics

Skywest, Jetblue and VA pilots do none of these... so what defines them as professional?

 

[CX880]

one hr lady at one of my airlines kind of helped me out when I was having trouble coming up with a definition of professional. she said someone that helps the FAs cross the seat belts. You dont need a creed from skywest or alpo to be a professional.

 

[ehaecker]

Let's simplify it....

Air Line Pilots must do the following to promote, protect and defend the profession:

• Exercise the First Amendment. (The right to petition the government)
• Codify work rules and protections via a Collective Bargaining Agreement within the RLA
• Establish a Code of Ethics

Skywest, Jetblue and VA pilots do none of these... so what defines them as professional?

Are you really that ********************ing stupid??

 

[GogglesPisano]

one hr lady at one of my airlines kind of helped me out when I was having trouble coming up with a definition of professional. she said someone that helps the FAs cross the seat belts..

Were you able to keep a straight face?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

From Transport Canada:


The conduct, aims or qualities that characterize or mark a profession or a professional person

One of the best definitions of a professional is given by the U.S. Congress in the Labor Management Relations Act, amended 1947. According to this Act, a "professional employee" is one who is:

• engaged in predominantly intellectual work, and is varied, as opposed to routine mental, mechanical, physical work
• involved in the exercise of discretion and judgment in his or her work
• the output produced or the result accomplished cannot be standardized in relation to a given period of time
• requiring knowledge of an advanced type in a field of science or learning customarily acquired by a prolonged course of specialized intellectual instruction and study in an institution of higher learning, as distinguished from a general academic education or from an apprenticeship

In addition to these criteria, other requirements are frequently added

• professional registration requirements (tests, experience)
• activity in a professional society and other professional activities
• public service nature of the occupation
• adherence to a professional code of conduct and ethics

The FAA notes the following in the Aviation Instructor's Handbook
Professionalism...is achieved only after extended training and preparation...is based on study and research...requires the ability to reason logically, accurately, and make good judgmental decisions...cannot limit their decisions to standard patterns and practice...
Finally, a profession is not seen as a stepping-stone to another career, but rather the pinnacle of many years of disciplined study, research and examinations. Professionals are normally expected to rise within the ranks of their peers.
Law and Ethics

Non-compliance with regulations can subject you to enforcement action. Pilots are responsible to see that all regulations are upheld in flight operations.
A violation of ethics does not bring about punitive action from the government, but rather a formal or informal reproof from others in the profession. Sometimes the informal reproof can be more detrimental to one's career. A reputation earned as a compulsive "risk taker" can come back to haunt that person. The aviation community is small and reputations stick.
Being a professional can be summed up as being completely dedicated to your field and devoting as much time, energy, and care into your endeavor as possible. Fulfilling a checklist of the items above does not automatically make anyone a professional, and the inability to complete one or two of them does not automatically disqualify someone as a professional.
Most importantly, professionalism is found in an attitude.

 

[CX880]

Were you able to keep a straight face?

Yea I was giving them the standard, "someone that does the right thing even when nobody's watching" thing...... I guess they wanted a more practical example.

 

[CFIT]

From Transport Canada:


The conduct, aims or qualities that characterize or mark a profession or a professional person


One of the best definitions of a professional is given by the U.S. Congress in the Labor Management Relations Act, amended 1947. According to this Act, a "professional employee" is one who is:

• engaged in predominantly intellectual work, and is varied, as opposed to routine mental, mechanical, physical work
• involved in the exercise of discretion and judgment in his or her work
• the output produced or the result accomplished cannot be standardized in relation to a given period of time
• requiring knowledge of an advanced type in a field of science or learning customarily acquired by a prolonged course of specialized intellectual instruction and study in an institution of higher learning, as distinguished from a general academic education or from an apprenticeship

In addition to these criteria, other requirements are frequently added

• professional registration requirements (tests, experience)
• activity in a professional society and other professional activities
• public service nature of the occupation
• adherence to a professional code of conduct and ethics

The FAA notes the following in the Aviation Instructor's Handbook
Professionalism...is achieved only after extended training and preparation...is based on study and research...requires the ability to reason logically, accurately, and make good judgmental decisions...cannot limit their decisions to standard patterns and practice...
Finally, a profession is not seen as a stepping-stone to another career, but rather the pinnacle of many years of disciplined study, research and examinations. Professionals are normally expected to rise within the ranks of their peers.
Law and Ethics

Non-compliance with regulations can subject you to enforcement action. Pilots are responsible to see that all regulations are upheld in flight operations.
A violation of ethics does not bring about punitive action from the government, but rather a formal or informal reproof from others in the profession. Sometimes the informal reproof can be more detrimental to one's career. A reputation earned as a compulsive "risk taker" can come back to haunt that person. The aviation community is small and reputations stick.
Being a professional can be summed up as being completely dedicated to your field and devoting as much time, energy, and care into your endeavor as possible. Fulfilling a checklist of the items above does not automatically make anyone a professional, and the inability to complete one or two of them does not automatically disqualify someone as a professional.
Most importantly, professionalism is found in an attitude.

None of which you posted proclaimed that you had to be a member of ALPA.

A Jet Blue pilot can be a professional, as well as Virgin America, SkyWest, Southwest, American. All of them.

It's the pilot, not wether they are union, ALPA or not. It's what is inside the person.

If you have to have a code of ethics to define if can abide by them, then you probably can't.

Rez, put this to bed, you are making your union look dismal, and killing any aspirations for expansion. We all know of your extremist, myopic stance, but it is only pushing people away.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

None of which you posted proclaimed that you had to be a member of ALPA.

Some of which you cannot if you aren't a member of a professional organization. Hint Skywest, JB and VA are not. THese companies have an allegiance to their stockholders and investors. That is it. Not you. Not the passengers and not the public. How are 2900 OO pilots going to 'be professional' against the monolithic demands of Jerry and DAL/UAL management?

Recall only a professional organization allows you to exercise your first amendment rights as an employed citizen.

A Jet Blue pilot can be a professional, as well as Virgin America, SkyWest, Southwest, American. All of them.

Really? How? I've been asking you to define it for days now. SWAPA and the APA have no Air Line pilot profession boiler plate. A definitive document that says this is who we say we are.

Who are the Skywest pilots? Who defines you? Management does. Roger Cohen of the RAA. They own you.

It's the pilot, not wether they are union, ALPA or not. It's what is inside the person.

It is whether. What is inside? Awww how cute. You sound like an ugly chick trying to get a date. So who determines if you've got the right "inside" stuff? Skywest Team Interview? Skywest Check airman? The honor pledge/creed? Again.. you say it is what is inside, another OO pilots says something different. Who is right? Are 2900 OO pilots who all think differently the same?

2900 OO pilots need come to together and define their own professionalism. It has yet to be done!

If you have to have a code of ethics to define if can abide by them, then you probably can't.

... the Code is a collective definition.

Rez, put this to bed, you are making your union look dismal, and killing any aspirations for expansion. We all know of your extremist, myopic stance, but it is only pushing people away.

If/when you want to expand the Student Council into a professional group call the IBT. They'll take your money.

What defines a Skywest pilot as a professional? Simple question....


Here is more help, from the FAA

Although the word “professionalism” is widely used,
it is rarely defined. In fact, no single definition can
encompass all of the qualifications and considerations
that must be present before true professionalism
can exist.
Though not all inclusive, the following list gives
some major considerations and qualifications that
should be included in the definition of professionalism.​

• Professionalism exists only when a service is
performed for someone, or for the common
good.​

• Professionalism is achieved only after extended
training and preparation.

True performance as a professional is based
on study and research.
• Professionals must be able to reason logically
and accurately.
• Professionalism requires the ability to make
good judgmental decisions. Professionals cannot
limit their actions and decisions to standard
patterns and practices.
• Professionalism demands a code of ethics.
Professionals must be true to themselves and
to those they service. Anything less than a sincere
performance is quickly detected, and​

immediately destroys their effectiveness.
​

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​

 

[AirCobra]

Some of which you cannot if you aren't a member of a professional organization. Hint Skywest, JB and VA are not. THese companies have an allegiance to their stockholders and investors. That is it. Not you. Not the passengers and not the public.

Doesn't having stockholders mean a company is PUBLICALLY held. And if you have a company provided 401k doesn mean yo have stock in the company making you an investor?

Why also do you think you have to be in a union to exercise your First Amendment Rights?

 

[homerjdispatch]

What defines a Skywest pilot as a professional? Simple question....


Here is more help, from the FAA

Although the word “professionalism” is widely used,
​

​

it is rarely defined. In fact, no single definition can

encompass all of the qualifications and considerations
that must be present before true professionalism
can exist.
Though not all inclusive, the following list gives
some major considerations and qualifications that​

should be included in the definition of professionalism.

• Professionalism exists only when a service is​

​

performed for someone, or for the common

good.​

• Professionalism is achieved only after extended
training and preparation.

True performance as a professional is based
on study and research.
• Professionals must be able to reason logically
and accurately.
• Professionalism requires the ability to make
good judgmental decisions. Professionals cannot
limit their actions and decisions to standard
patterns and practices.
• Professionalism demands a code of ethics.
Professionals must be true to themselves and
to those they service. Anything less than a sincere
performance is quickly detected, and​

immediately destroys their effectiveness.

​

Hmmm... Still dont see union membership in there, but this line; Professionals must be able to reason logically

and accurately really says something.... maye you need to read it closer!

 

[rtmcfi]

Rez- you are not helping.......

 

[SkyNation]

Are you really that ********************ing stupid??

yes. yes he is.

Rez- you are not helping.......

Indeed. All the free sandwiches in the world won't win hearts and minds over when this is the oft repeated rhetoric.

 

[Hootie9750]

Obviously being in ALPA and wearing a hat.

Also having a mustache to compliment the hat is a requirement.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Hmmm... Still dont see union membership in there, but this line; Professionals must be able to reason logically

and accurately really says something.... maye you need to read it closer!

How can you reason logically when management is pilot pushing? How do you counter pilot pushing?