SkyWest showing videos of crippled folks and.......

[Rez O. Lewshun]

yes. yes he is.



Indeed. All the free sandwiches in the world won't win hearts and minds over when this is the oft repeated rhetoric.

If you want to your heart to be won......call the Teamsters....

 

[PBRstreetgang]

How can you reason logically when management is pilot pushing? How do you counter pilot pushing?

A minor personality trait, called Personal Integrity, Rez, there are no, creeds, or unions that will provide integrity, you either have it or you don't. I have been pushed at every airline I have been employed at, and whenever I held my ground the pouges backed down, its called being a man. Grow a pair you might actually enjoy them.
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Also having a mustache to compliment the hat is a requirement.

The 'stache is a power projection symbol, J. Stalin, A. Hitler, S. Hussain, And B.Holt. Oh snap wait a minute....ahhhh, nevermind, back to your rants, carry on.
PBR

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

A minor personality trait, called Personal Integrity, Rez, there are no, creeds, or unions that will provide integrity, you either have it or you don't. I have been pushed at every airline I have been employed at, and whenever I held my ground the pouges backed down, its called being a man. Grow a pair you might actually enjoy them.
PBR

Is personal integrity accepted by mortgage companies and at the grocery store?

When you get fired, at your next interview when they ask why you got fired, is personal integrity the "hirable" answer...

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Is personal integrity accepted by mortgage companies and at the grocery store?

When you get fired, at your next interview when they ask why you got fired, is personal integrity the "hirable" answer...

Rez,
Once again you show the your lack of understanding. It reminds me of the the question, "At which price point would you perform oral sex on another male?" $1.00, 10,000, 100,00, 1M?, by your definition if you have to " make your mortgage payment", smoking pole is ok at some price point.
My position is, integrity is not dependent on financial need. If I refuse to do something I know is not safe, I can get a job at Homer Depot, you can smoke pole.
PBR

 

[JoeMerchant]

Is personal integrity accepted by mortgage companies and at the grocery store?

Interesting comment Rez....I guess the same could be said of crossing a picket line...couldn't it? You are sending some mixed signals...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez,
Once again you show the your lack of understanding. It reminds me of the the question, "At which price point would you perform oral sex on another male?" $1.00, 10,000, 100,00, 1M?, by your definition if you have to " make your mortgage payment", smoking pole is ok at some price point.
My position is, integrity is not dependent on financial need. If I refuse to do something I know is not safe, I can get a job at Homer Depot, you can smoke pole.
PBR

What a guy.....and think of the number of Home Depots across the country... you could live just about anywhere.....


Most pilots who invest years of educaton, training and money into a means to earn a decent living don't care to "quit" on personal integrity terms just because a tool manager is coercing a pilot to fly an unsafe jet or lose his job. Perhaps personal integrity is knowing you shouldn't have to be forced into deciding between doing the right thing and keeping your job... knowing that there is a middle ground....


Home Depot might be a nice ROI for you, but I am willing to bet that a majority of Skywest pilots aren't ready to give it all up for an orange apron with their name written in a Sharpie. Would you tie your apron tight or wear it loose?

 

[CFIT]

Perhaps personal integrity is knowing you shouldn't have to be forced into deciding between doing the right thing and keeping your job...

Should we get an opinion from your ALPO but buddy Timmy, or how about your friend that sells drug masking solutions? Whats their opinion on personal itegrity?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

What a guy.....and think of the number of Home Depots across the country... you could live just about anywhere.....


Most pilots who invest years of educaton, training and money into a means to earn a decent living don't care to "quit" on personal integrity terms just because a tool manager is coercing a pilot to fly an unsafe jet or lose his job. Perhaps personal integrity is knowing you shouldn't have to be forced into deciding between doing the right thing and keeping your job... knowing that there is a middle ground....


Home Depot might be a nice ROI for you, but I am willing to bet that a majority of Skywest pilots aren't ready to give it all up for an orange apron with their name written in a Sharpie. Would you tie your apron tight or wear it loose?

How much did your mom pay for your edumacation? Obviously reading comprehension, nor critical thinking were in your curriculum.
PBR
P.S. Connecting money issues to your integrity does not bode well for you.

 

[CX880]

Should we get an opinion from your ALPO but buddy Timmy, or how about your friend that sells drug masking solutions? Whats their opinion on personal itegrity?

Give timmy a break. if you were a 10 year eagle FO stuck in ord wouldn't you become delusional and start making stuff up? I would have picked the F15 though. And the other drug dealer, well alpo pilots got to get paid somehow and it's not with their alpo negotiated pay.

 

[paid4training]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDnrLv6z-mM

Oh wait, here are the cripples now.

I like this one better, kindda like the industry. You can decide who is the lioness!!!!

 

[Microclimates]

... The regional airlines have been hiring from the turd farms for over a decade now. As much as you want to polish those turds, they can only be polished to look like shiny turds.

They are turds. I am a turd. Repeat after me.

Don't forget that "professionalism" extends far beyond the uniform and appearance too. The cockpit discipline I have observed on the jumpseat from former military pilots at some major airlines is WAY beyond anything I've ever seen from a regional crew. It is all a result of who was hired.

You, kind Sir, apparently are not abreast of the immense potential of polished turds...

http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbusters-polishing-a-turd.html

... All better now

 

[blesko]

No. Actually OO, JB and VA are making the profession look bad.

It has been shown for over 80 years, that this profession requires ethics and representation. To take those gains and benefits earned and fought for over the years as your own and not maintain them is childish and irresponsible.

It also motivates management to down grade the profession to simply wage workers.



Let's be clear. You are not a member of the Air Line Pilot Profession. You quit and took and different path.

Neither are the OO, JB and VA pilots. Are you saying that OO pilots get to say no to representation and a CoE but still claim the benefits and call themselves professional?

How does that work? How does someone gain status without the effort?





The problem here is the definition and understanding of professionalism.

What is it? I can assure you that many Air Line Pilots both union and non union act professional but can't define or quantify it.

First off if we say that everyone is professional does that devalue the profession? For example, we've all called a company as a consumer and were put on hold only to hear "you're call is very important to us, please stay on the line, and one of our professional CSRs will be with you shortly" Are CSRs really professionals? What about gate agents? rampers? If they are, are they the same as professional pilots? If so, does that mean same pay is ok?

Are Skywest pilots really professional because management says so? Because management creates a creed for them? Are OO, JB and VA pilots professional because they say they are? Who is they? Are these pilot groups professional if one pilots defines professionalism as one way but another pilot says professionals is not that way but his way?


So what does it mean to the Air Line Pilot profession when OO, JB and VA pilots call themselves professionals after DAL, CAL, NWA, UAL, PAA, Braniff, etc. pilots have spent endless hours over the decades creating professional status so when it comes time for pay and benefits we have leverage at the table. And along comes OO, JB and VA pilots and say.. yeah, we are just like those guys.. we are professional too.

Many pilots on here are tired of weak leverage in negotiations. Do OO, JB and VA pilots help?

So what makes a professional? Can you define it?

Didn't you get your start at Gulfstream???