Skywest sez this about UAL J4J.....

[Extra300S]

FWIW:

UA talks/Pilot hiring:
We continue to discuss the hiring of furloughed UA pilots in conjunction with our CRJ-70 flying opportunity. It has taken some time to sort this out because “they” started the talks by asking for the moon. We have worked closely with SAPA on this issue and I am fairly confident that we will come to an agreement this week. Our agreement will be very close to our agreement with CO furloughed pilots. In short, 5 positions for each aircraft delivery would be offered to UA furloughed pilots, they would go through an abbreviated interview process and then placed at the bottom of our seniority list. It will take approximately 5 pages to explain the above sentence. I’ll update you when we have a final agreement.

 

[Skyboss]

Stick to your guns SkyWest. UA pushed you once in life with the west coast when you were all DL.

 

[Redeyes]

Extra 300s...get a clue !!! Don't post information on public boards that management sends to us privately. We complain about lack of info. from management. This is one of the reasons!!!!

 

[Machdog1]

Doesn't matter united will be gone in a year and you will be sh!t out of luck there. Don't hold your breath skywest join the good side of the force at ACA!!

 

[Heavy Set]

True - how can UAL survive if it continues to lose $600+ mil per quarter (with Gov't aid) - especially with the disasterous Fall quarter approaching? It's gonna be a blood bath....

 

[ArcticFlier]

Doesn't matter united will be gone in a year and you will be sh!t out of luck there. Don't hold your breath skywest join the good side of the force at ACA!!

Ummmmm yeah.... Whatever

AF

 

[Peealot]

So there I was.......

B

 

[House_X]

Extra 300s...get a clue !!! Don't post information on public boards that management sends to us privately. We complain about lack of info. from management. This is one of the reasons!!!!

Management tells you guys United will fly the 70 seaters?
You guys always brag about how you don't need a union...how about now?

 

[General Lee]

I think I read that somewhere that said if the United Express carriers wanted to fly 70 seaters for United---they would have to supply FO seats to their furloughs--so why should Skywest object? It was kind of the bait on the hook---if you want the contract, you will help our pilots. USAir did it with J4J, but with Captain positions. I think you are coming away in better shape---what if they would have said 5 Captain slots?

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ArcticFlier]

So there I was.......

B

Dude...........I almost fell out of my seat.......................

AF

 

[surplus1]

---what if they would have said 5 Captain slots?

Bye Bye--General Lee

Then they should be told to shove it where the sun don't shine. That is exactly what should have happened with ALPA's J4J, but unfortunately there is always a MESA-type group that will brown nose its way into anything.

J4J is nothing more than the blatant theft of seniority. A disgrace to the labor union that invented it.

Fortunately it appears that the Skywest pilots haven't been brainwashed by ALPA. Good for them.

 

[ADG]

Hey General Lee,

Yes, the deal was that we would supply opportunities for the furloguhed United pilots. The language however, was very vague. We knew negotioations would be tough, especially when dealing with UAL-ALPA. Maybe we should of expected they were going to ask for, "the moon."

I think they might of confused us for a regional that has ALPA for a union. Wrong!

When approached with the J4J program, we pretty much flushed it down the toilet. We will do the same with United, if they ask for too much. I do hope we come to terms with a mutual beneficial agreement. One that will respect the seniority system, even if it means the seniority system at a regional airline, and at the same time help the United pilots on furlough.

ADG

 

[Gobi Gred]

ADG,

So far management has done us pretty well by respecting our seniority list. However, just remember they don't have to. If you are implying that we (the pilot group) killed that j4j deal, think again. This company will ultimately do what's right for the company and the stockholders. (which they should) As pilots without legal representation or a legal binding contract we don't have a say. I don't mean to lecture, but from the tone of your post you seem to think (as too many of our pilots do) that we have an actual say in what goes on. In any case, send in your UPA card, (if you haven't already) and fly safe!

Fellow SkyWest pilot patiently waiting for a LEGAL contract

 

[SkyWstman]

And so what if we don't get the 70 seaters. There is no pay raise.
It's just another 50 seater in reality. Let United buy and fly. That's what I say.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Hey General Lee,

I think they might of confused us for a regional that has ALPA for a union. Wrong!
ADG

Good one!

 

[ADG]

Hey Gobi,


When it comes to seniority issues, our pilots are unified and I believe this has influenced managment. You are right though, we are non-union and I sometimes wonder how much our managment regrets not signing a deal with US Air. The point is when confronted with certain issues we have done well, perhaps better than union carriers. Who do we credit? I would hope the pilots had some say.

Anyway, i do not want to get into a union vs. anti-union thread, we do that enough on our company forums, but I understand your post and appreciate your view point. In fact, I understand your view point enough to have already signed and sent a UPA card, months ago. I too want a legal binding contract, this is where our managent has failed us. Many at our company, however, believe this is the "kiss of death" so good luck trying to convince the rest of the crew.

Back to the subject. 70 seat RJ's at SkyWest. I know our managment has wanted these things for a very long time. It will be interesting to see what kinda deal we actually stirke.

ADG

 

[surplus1]

OK, for the uninformed (that's me) please tell us what is UPA?

 

[Flooder305]

UPA = Union Drive at Skywest

UPA is the "Unified Pilots Assoc." that has been attempting a Union drive/vote at Skywest. It hasn't happened yet, however they have brought about some beneficial pressures to SAPA our current representatives. Boo United for trying to bully, yeah management for having a pair!

 

[surplus1]

Re: UPA = Union Drive at Skywest

UPA is the "Unified Pilots Assoc." that has been attempting a Union drive/vote at Skywest. It hasn't happened yet, however they have brought about some beneficial pressures to SAPA our current representatives. Boo United for trying to bully, yeah management for having a pair!

Thanks. It probably would be nice if you guys had something to guarantee the agreements you have with your Company. They should not object if their intentions are truly what they seem to be.

The idea of an in-house of your own seems far better than a hook up with some big bureaucracy that has its own agenda and no interest whatever in your interests.

Of course you won't have the reputed "political clout" and "resources" of the big DC outfit, but what good are political clout and resources when they are only used against you?

I wish you the best.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Hey Gobi,
When it comes to seniority issues, our pilots are unified and I believe this has influenced managment. You are right though, we are non-union and I sometimes wonder how much our managment regrets not signing a deal with US Air. The point is when confronted with certain issues we have done well, perhaps better than union carriers. Who do we credit? I would hope the pilots had some say.

ADG, you are correct in one respect in as much as you guys are unified and this may have played (SOME) role in mgt's decision making at your company. As pilots I am with you on not violating the seniority system, but now you need to take off your pilot hat for a moment and place on a management cap. Management is at the will of it's board who are in turn run by it's share holders now as a share holder I could care less if the seniority system is violated as long as I continue to make money on those shares!!!

Now enter UAL who wants to place larger a/c on the property where I own shares and place it's furloughed pilots in those a/c I again as a share holder have questions 1st WILL MY SHARES INCREASE IN VALUE???? if the answer is yes, then wheither you have a union or not won't matter because any agreement you have can and will most likely be violated all in the name of making the company more profitable. Now you can and will mostly likely file for arbitration and will likely win but that would take years and by then the pilots in question would have likely gone back to the main line...

Moral of this story, pilot to pilot i'm with you 100%... Shareholder to pilot I could care less about your agreement with management, just show me the money...

WD.