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This may have already been covered (since I didn't read all 5 pages), but this.......
....doesn't mean that if your duty day goes over 14 hours that your scheduling department is supposed to remove trips from your day or "notify" you that you may go over 14 hours.
Your friend's day in no way "exceed(ed) this policy manual limitation". That policy means that no trip pairings will be originally scheduled to exceed 14 hours of duty per day. This does not stop the crew from having to exceed this themselves due to operational delays. The amount of duty time you can actually have per day is based on your prior duty day, prior duty rest, and subsequent required rest after the current duty day per FAA regulations.
This only means that a scheduled pairing or rescheduled (adjusted) pairing will not exceed 14 hours of duty unless the crewmember agrees to it. During IROPS, this doesn't apply, unless the pairing is modified for a different destination. If all original destinations are on the pairing throughout the entire duty day, it's not a reschedule, even if proposed departure times are changed.
Sounds like your friend almost bit himself and his crew in the butt. Granted, fatigued is exactly that.....fatigued. However, just because he didn't want to fly a 16 hour duty day isn't fatigued. He'd have an uphill battle with that one, unless he had a previous 16 hour duty day. Then again, in that case, he would have only had 8 hours reduced rest, which would have required 10 hours of compensatory rest, meaning a 14 hour legal (FAA, not Skywest legal) duty day.
New captain or not, learn it. Even as an FO. If you don't understand the regulations and policies, it's not difficult to find someone who does. Sounds like the crew made the right decision to fly the rest of the day.
Granted, having ALPA on the property would have prevented this whole situation.
Standard Practice 316:2:a states that “Crewmembers will be subject to Federal Aviation Regulations regarding duty and crew rest requirements. Additionally, Pilots will not be scheduled for duty time that exceeds fourteen hours per duty day period without his/her consent. Flight Attendants may not be scheduled for more than fourteen hours.”.
....doesn't mean that if your duty day goes over 14 hours that your scheduling department is supposed to remove trips from your day or "notify" you that you may go over 14 hours.
We had received no call from crew scheduling inquiring about the exceedance of 14 hours so I called to let them know that we were going to exceed this policy manual time limitation..”
Your friend's day in no way "exceed(ed) this policy manual limitation". That policy means that no trip pairings will be originally scheduled to exceed 14 hours of duty per day. This does not stop the crew from having to exceed this themselves due to operational delays. The amount of duty time you can actually have per day is based on your prior duty day, prior duty rest, and subsequent required rest after the current duty day per FAA regulations.
....without his/her consent.
This only means that a scheduled pairing or rescheduled (adjusted) pairing will not exceed 14 hours of duty unless the crewmember agrees to it. During IROPS, this doesn't apply, unless the pairing is modified for a different destination. If all original destinations are on the pairing throughout the entire duty day, it's not a reschedule, even if proposed departure times are changed.
Sounds like your friend almost bit himself and his crew in the butt. Granted, fatigued is exactly that.....fatigued. However, just because he didn't want to fly a 16 hour duty day isn't fatigued. He'd have an uphill battle with that one, unless he had a previous 16 hour duty day. Then again, in that case, he would have only had 8 hours reduced rest, which would have required 10 hours of compensatory rest, meaning a 14 hour legal (FAA, not Skywest legal) duty day.
New captain or not, learn it. Even as an FO. If you don't understand the regulations and policies, it's not difficult to find someone who does. Sounds like the crew made the right decision to fly the rest of the day.
Granted, having ALPA on the property would have prevented this whole situation.