Skywest proposes to XpressJet

[Capt. Caucasian]

When XJT lost those 69 airplanes they were cheaper than everyone else. Continental just wanted a new feeder airline to whipsaw no matter the cost. And cost it did...

 

[Flyin2low]

What synergies are there between Xjet and Skywest?

 

[ratherbeflyen]

Pessimistic, optimistic, realistic. You have to know where you stand.

Yup, we all know where you stand.... or lay as the case may be.

 

[skypine69]

Rivoli,
if you are so damn happy with where you work, why do you have a 737 type rating? Are you just getting the jump on when skywest gets guppies and you want to save them the training cost cause you are a company guy?

 

[sweptback]

I would be quite happy to see EXJet remain independant. ASA for that matter too. I have been a captain for a long time already and stand to gain nothing.

Sometimes it's not just about what is good for you.

 

[BoilerUP]

What synergies are there between Xjet and Skywest?

Best post in this thread yet.

Answer? Probably next to none.

Different fleet types, one union and one non-union pilot group, FAR too many 50 seat jets.

Skywest, Inc. would gain XJT's branded ops if they were interested, which they may or may not be. They'd also gain a large foothold into CalEx flying but would only be able to fly 50 seat jets unless CALALPA folded on scope...putting them into the same boat as RAH.

 

[ApocketA's_145]

Best post in this thread yet.

Answer? Probably next to none.

Different fleet types, one union and one non-union pilot group, FAR too many 50 seat jets.

Skywest, Inc. would gain XJT's branded ops if they were interested, which they may or may not be. They'd also gain a large foothold into CalEx flying but would only be able to fly 50 seat jets unless CALALPA folded on scope...putting them into the same boat as RAH.

what would it be for the pilot group, especially at xjet? is it a bad thing for something like this to happen?

 

[ratherbeflyen]

what would it be for the pilot group, especially at xjet? is it a bad thing for something like this to happen?

No one knows for sure, but ask the TWA guys what happens when you merge with a non ALPA carrier.

 

[PCL_128]

No one knows for sure, but ask the TWA guys what happens when you merge with a non ALPA carrier.

TWA was dealing with a possible 1113(c) filing. No comparison.

 

[ERJFO]

No one knows for sure, but ask the TWA guys what happens when you merge with a non ALPA carrier.

I guess you haven't herd of the legislature that was recently passed as a result of the TWA/AA merger, so that something like it can never happen again.

The link is copied below but it basically keeps an union's contract in place and allows for the ALPA merger policy between two ALPA groups or an arbitrated senority list between different groops. Never agian will it be lawful to dictate senority terms to a unionized pilot group like AA did to TWA.

http://www.alpa.org/DesktopModules/...px?itemid=12371&ModuleId=12565&Tabid=256#jump

In any case, I think a straight DOH integration would work fine for XJT and SKYW, don't you?

 

[Superpilot92]

I'm quite happy where I am thank you very much. If you're so sure our pay and work rules are so substandard, don't apply, please.

"The reality of the situation is that XJT will survive or fail and there is nothing the pilot contract will do in either case. They pilots get what they negotiated, made the contract enforceable, and have exactly what they deserve."

Just how long did it take CAL to drop those airplanes after that contract was ratified? Pilot labor costs are but one factor of many. You would have to ask CAL management if that was the deciding factor, but it was timely. Surely the prospect of additional reductions must give you reason to pause.

I do not wish to see the failure of XJet as you suggest. I am glad you are happy with your contract and wish to see your branded flying prosper. I think you are going about it in an intelligent manner focusing on smaller cities and avoiding directly competing with mainline. Everyone I know who has flown on you raves about the service.

The topic of the thread had to do with the possibility of Skywest acquiring XJet and I sought to offer some potential insights from SKYW's perspective.

Tomct and Superpilot; you wouldn't know intelligent discourse if it smacked you in the face.

Cheers

Your information is wrong, yet you accuse me of not knowing how to carry an intelligent discussion?? Show me where in my post that i typed bad information. You in fact are a moron.

 

[eglpilot]

i heard that skywest has been looking at american eagles financials anyone else hear this ?

 

[Nevets]

I guess you haven't herd of the legislature that was recently passed as a result of the TWA/AA merger, so that something like it can never happen again.

The link is copied below but it basically keeps an union's contract in place and allows for the ALPA merger policy between two ALPA groups or an arbitrated senority list between different groops. Never agian will it be lawful to dictate senority terms to a unionized pilot group like AA did to TWA.

http://www.alpa.org/DesktopModules/...px?itemid=12371&ModuleId=12565&Tabid=256#jump

In any case, I think a straight DOH integration would work fine for XJT and SKYW, don't you?

Not to mention XJT's M & A clause in their contract.

Successor and Mergers
1. This Agreement shall be binding upon any successor or assign of the Company
unless and until changed in accordance with the provisions of the Railway Labor
Act, as amended. For purposes of this paragraph, a successor or assign shall be
defined as an entity which acquires all or substantially all of the assets or equity
of the Company through a single transaction or multi-step related transactions
which close within a 12 month period.
2. No contract or other legally binding commitment involving the transfer of
ownership or control pursuant to a successorship transaction, whether by sale,
transfer or lease of the Company or substantially all of its assets, will be signed
or otherwise entered into unless it is agreed as a material and irrevocable
condition of entering into, concluding and implementing such transaction that
the rates of pay, rules and working conditions set forth in this Agreement will be
assumed by the successor employer and employees on the then current Pilots’
Seniority List will be employed in accordance with the provisions of this
Agreement. The Company shall give notice of the existence of this Agreement
to any purchaser, transferee, lessee, or assignee of the operation covered by this
Agreement or any substantial part thereof. Such notice shall be in writing, with
a copy to the Association, at the time the seller, transferor, or lessor executes a
definitive agreement with respect to a transaction as herein described.
3. Unless otherwise agreed, the following provisions shall apply in the event of a
successorship transaction in which the successor is an air carrier or an affiliate of
an air carrier, or a transaction in which the Company acquires control of another
air carrier; and
a. The integration of the seniority lists of the respective pilot groups shall
be governed by Association Merger Policy if both pre-transaction pilot
groups are represented by the Association. If the other pre-transaction
group is not represented by the Association, Sections 3 and 13 of the
Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions ("LPP") shall apply. The
successor or Company, as appropriate, shall accept the integrated
seniority list, including any conditions and restrictions, established
through Association merger policy or LPP proceedings, as applicable;
and,
b. The respective pilot collective bargaining agreements shall be merged
into one agreement as the result of negotiations among the pilot groups
and the successor or the Company. If a fully merged agreement is not
executed within 9 months from the date a final and binding integrated
pilot seniority list is issued, the parties shall jointly submit outstanding
issues to binding interest arbitration; and,
c. The aircraft (including orders and options to purchase aircraft) and the
operations of each pre-transaction airline shall remain separated until
such time as both pilots’ seniority lists are integrated and the pilot
collective bargaining agreements are combined in accordance with
paragraphs D.3.a. and D.3.b., above; and,
d. Pending the merger of the pre-transaction carrier and the pilot collective
bargaining agreements and seniority lists, no pilot on the Pilots’ Seniority
List shall be reduced in status or pay category as an effect of the merger,
purchase or acquisition.
4. The following additional requirements shall be applicable in the event of a
merger, purchase or acquisition involving the Company, regardless of the identity
of the surviving carrier or whether formerly separate operations are to be
integrated.
a. Unless and until any operational merger is finally effectuated, the
Association will continue to be recognized as the representative of the
pre-merger Company pilots, so long as such recognition is consistent
with the Railway Labor Act and any applicable rulings or orders of the
National Mediation Board. Recognition of a post-merger representative
shall be governed by the Railway Labor Act and by any applicable rulings
or orders of the National Mediation Board.
b. Subject to applicable securities and other laws and regulations, the
Company will review with the Association the details of any material
agreements relating to successorship transactions in a timely manner,
provided that no financial or other confidential business information need
be disclosed unless suitable arrangements are made for protecting the
confidentiality and use of such information.
c. The Company or surviving carrier, if different than the Company, shall
meet promptly with the Association, upon request, to negotiate the
implementation of the requirements of this paragraph.

 

[Willy21]

What synergies are there between Xjet and Skywest?

Maybe they are trying to become even bigger and therefore gain more control over the rj market. With the potential mergers out there at the mainline level there might not be enough rj lift for all of the regionals to have their current piece of the pie. SkyWest comes in buys X-Jet. With X-Jet, and ASA, SkyWest Inc. is big enough to provide a good product and cut prices for longer than Comair or Mesa, Eagle ect. and makes it hard for other regionals to compete. That leaves SkyWest and RAH as the only players that are big enough to have the economies of scale to make the rj work.

Think back to principles of Micro-economics. Can you say Oligopoly?

Just my .02