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[ArcticFlier]

SKYW is better than Xjet...............Xjet is better than SKYW........


Mine's bigger than your's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Whatever.................



AF

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Tell me you are kidding me that your management would discipline you for doing work above and beyond what is expected of you.

What a country we are living in!!!

Ours wouldn't....but some would. You've just taken yourself out of service for doing something that wasn't in your job description. It is your choice of course to help. I have thrown bags many times and gone "above and beyond" many more times. Maybe my example was bad...but there are very real necessities for needing a union...Training Review Boards for folks with minor problems in training is a better example perhaps...or people with alcohol problems who get help and come back rehabilitated, etc. The list goes on.

-Neal

 

[rumorhasit]

Ours wouldn't....but some would. You've just taken yourself out of service for doing something that wasn't in your job description. It is your choice of course to help. I have thrown bags many times and gone "above and beyond" many more times. Maybe my example was bad...but there are very real necessities for needing a union...Training Review Boards for folks with minor problems in training is a better example perhaps...or people with alcohol problems who get help and come back rehabilitated, etc. The list goes on.

-Neal

Thanks for coming back to this website Neal...It is nice to read some common sense and some postive remarks about xjt...

 

[JetLinkin Park]

Maybe my example was bad...butthereareveryrealnecessities for needing a union...Training ReviewBoardsforfolkswithminor problems in training is a betterexampleperhaps...orpeoplewithalcohol problems who get help and comebackrehabilitated,etc.Thelist goes on.

-Neal

This is an understatement. For some reason non-unionizedpilotsassociatepay only when it comes to unions. They don't realise that they'remissing the most important aspect: theGOLDEN INSURANCE POLICYthatcovers almost any type ofworkplace incident.

 

[JetLinkin Park]

Above text is messed up for some reason. You get my point.

 

[Ben Franklin]

How many pounds of trail mix does the average Skywest pilot backpack hold?


Not a joke, I really want to know.

Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[strega7]

I don't know, I don't have a backpack.

 

[MELIT]

Training Review Boards for folks with minor problems in training is a better example perhaps...or people with alcohol problems who get help and come back rehabilitated, etc. The list goes on.

-Neal[/QUOTE]

Still a bad example. If you can't pass TRAINING or your an ALCOHOLIC maybe they should find a different career.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Still a bad example. If you can't pass TRAINING or your an ALCOHOLIC maybe they should find a different career.

Sorry MELIT, I disagree 100%. I know of a new hire pilot at Skywest who was terminated in ground school for receiving a 79% on his E-120 written test. No second chance. No retraining. He got 1 question too many wrong. Kind of sad. That wouldn't happen here. He would receive retraining, and if necessary, a Training Review Board. Only at that point, after 2 Training Review Boards, could a pilot be terminated. Its a great provision in our contract. I can rattle off many cases of pilots needing retraining and they have all done fine out on the line since. Nerves can sometimes get to someone in the sim. Nobody is perfect on every ride.

Alcoholism is a disease and if a pilot comes forward admitting a problem, he/she is given extensive rehabilation. Once they get through that, there is a very strict process that they must go through in order to get back on the line and then stay on the line. It is a great program and while skeptical at first, I am impressed with the results.

How about the ASAP program? Do you guys have one? It is a three way agreement between the FAA, ALPA, and XJT about occurrences that happen every day on the line including, but not limited to altitude deviations, airspace issues, weight & balance problems, paperwork issues, etc. Provided that the pilot did not willfully and intionally violate any regs, he cannot be disciplined. Another example would be out Flight Operations Quality Assurance Program or FOQA. Absolutely no recorded data on board our airplane can be used against a pilot for discplinary action. Can you say the same?

How about a Professional Standards Committee? Peer Pilot Committee? Do you have representation in the event of an accident/incident and a member of your pilot group on the Accident Investigation Board? A Retirement & Insurance Committee? Access to ALPA's Aeromedical Group in Colorado? A Long Term Disability Committee that is actively involved in the integrity and compliance with the LTD Plan (if you even have LTD...I'm not sure if you do)?

Our Safety Committee implored upon management to institute a Mountainous Terrain class after we started going down to Mexico and realizing many of the threats and issues associated with going down there. Our Safety Committee has since been on the proving runs and test flights for every single one of our new destinations down there (and we go to many mountainous places in Mexico). Our Safety Committee has also been a key and integral part of the rewriting of our procedures and checklists to better facilitate a safe operation.

I could go on but it would be more of the same.

Pilot unions aren't all about negotiating a contract, picketing, media hype, and then enforcing the new contract. They are about safety. They are about protecting a pilot's job. They are about defending airline pilot issues on capitol hill. The word, "union," isn't a bad word. Some MEC's handle themselves better than others. That is a function of the pilot group itself and who gets involved.

-Neal

 

[MELIT]

Sorry MELIT, I disagree 100%. I know of a new hire pilot at Skywest who was terminated in ground school for receiving a 79% on his E-120 written test. No second chance. No retraining. He got 1 question too many wrong. Kind of sad. That wouldn't happen here. He would receive retraining, and if necessary, a Training Review Board. Only at that point, after 2 Training Review Boards, could a pilot be terminated. Its a great provision in our contract. I can rattle off many cases of pilots needing retraining and they have all done fine out on the line since. Nerves can sometimes get to someone in the sim. Nobody is perfect on every ride.

Alcoholism is a disease and if a pilot comes forward admitting a problem, he/she is given extensive rehabilation. Once they get through that, there is a very strict process that they must go through in order to get back on the line and then stay on the line. It is a great program and while skeptical at first, I am impressed with the results.

How about the ASAP program? Do you guys have one? It is a three way agreement between the FAA, ALPA, and XJT about occurrences that happen every day on the line including, but not limited to altitude deviations, airspace issues, weight & balance problems, paperwork issues, etc. Provided that the pilot did not willfully and intionally violate any regs, he cannot be disciplined. Another example would be out Flight Operations Quality Assurance Program or FOQA. Absolutely no recorded data on board our airplane can be used against a pilot for discplinary action. Can you say the same?

How about a Professional Standards Committee? Peer Pilot Committee? Do you have representation in the event of an accident/incident and a member of your pilot group on the Accident Investigation Board? A Retirement & Insurance Committee? Access to ALPA's Aeromedical Group in Colorado? A Long Term Disability Committee that is actively involved in the integrity and compliance with the LTD Plan (if you even have LTD...I'm not sure if you do)?

Our Safety Committee implored upon management to institute a Mountainous Terrain class after we started going down to Mexico and realizing many of the threats and issues associated with going down there. Our Safety Committee has since been on the proving runs and test flights for every single one of our new destinations down there (and we go to many mountainous places in Mexico). Our Safety Committee has also been a key and integral part of the rewriting of our procedures and checklists to better facilitate a safe operation.

I could go on but it would be more of the same.

Pilot unions aren't all about negotiating a contract, picketing, media hype, and then enforcing the new contract. They are about safety. They are about protecting a pilot's job. They are about defending airline pilot issues on capitol hill. The word, "union," isn't a bad word. Some MEC's handle themselves better than others. That is a function of the pilot group itself and who gets involved.

-Neal

Most companys understand alcohlisim is a desease and if you disclose it first and go through rehab your able to come back to work, union or non-union.

Sorry your new hire Skywest buddy could not pass a test. That is the purpose of a test, some pass some fail. It's not that sad, thats life.

 

[Rogue5]

You have to be very, very special to not pass a SkyWest groundschool test...

 

[strega7]

How about the ASAP program? Do you guys have one? It is a three way agreement between the FAA, ALPA, and XJT about occurrences that happen every day on the line including, but not limited to altitude deviations, airspace issues, weight & balance problems, paperwork issues, etc. Provided that the pilot did not willfully and intionally violate any regs, he cannot be disciplined. Another example would be out Flight Operations Quality Assurance Program or FOQA. Absolutely no recorded data on board our airplane can be used against a pilot for discplinary action. Can you say the same?

Yes, SkyWest has the same thing without ALPA.

 

[JetLinkin Park]

Most companys understand alcohlisim is a desease and ifyou disclose it first and go through rehab your able to come back towork, union or non-union.

Sorry your new hire Skywest buddy could not pass a test. That is thepurpose of a test, some pass some fail. It's not that sad, thatslife.

Whatever man. If you think you're better off without a union- good foryou. No one has been more critical of ALPA than yours truly- especiallyduring contract times here at XJT. But I'm smart enough to appreciatetheir efforts with many other things. I got furloughed, they got me ajob at UNION-FREE Skywest. Recently we had a crew penetrate theprohibited airspace in DCA, the ASAP program kept the crew out ofpermanent trouble. The list goes on. Get over yourself.

 

[scotts]

Neal,


Well said my friend! I for one would take XJT and ALPA over Skywest and ??? any day of the week. Without a union in this business you are vulnerable and subject to the whims of management without any recourse other than what the feds provide to all workers.

XJT = 1

SKW = 0

Frats...

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Most companys understand alcohlisim is a desease and if you disclose it first and go through rehab your able to come back to work, union or non-union.

Sorry your new hire Skywest buddy could not pass a test. That is the purpose of a test, some pass some fail. It's not that sad, thats life.

He wasn't a "buddy" but just someone I knew. He's doing fine now so I wouldn't call him "special" but I think I undersand what Rogue is talking about.

At the end of the day, you can justify your views all you want and I will do the same. I am proud of what we have here (just as you are proud of what you have) but I know first hand the benefits of our 1.95%. Does that mean I wouldn't work for a carrier such as jetBlue? Of course not.

Frankly though, to boot a guy out of training over 1 question seems questionable to me, but admittedly I do not know the whole story (there is always more to the story). But I can say this...XJT would never send anyone home over 1 question. They send people home who are untrainable, dishonest, and who don't show up when they are supposed to.

I am proud to say we also ensured that our furloughed pilots receive jobs at Skywest and Commutair several years ago when CAL outsourced prop flying in the hubs. I'm sure those pilots also were glad their union was looking out for them.

-Neal

 

[strega7]

Frankly though, to boot a guy out of training over 1 question seems questionable to me

Dude! He didn't miss "1" question, he missed 21! 21 out of 100 questions on a test that's trying to determine if he's been studying.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Dude! He didn't miss "1" question, he missed 21! 21 out of 100 questions on a test that's trying to determine if he's been studying.

I never said he didn't miss 21. I said he was removed from training over 1 question. Had he gotten 1 less wrong, he would have passed. He wasn't given a 2nd chance or any retraining - that was my point. It is moot however to argue over this issue as I only brought that up as an example. I stand by my last few posts and the value of my 1.95%. I hope I never have to truly see the benefits of that 1.95%.

-Neal

 

[tranceport]

The guy leaving SKyw for one missed question is more of skywest's loss more than anything. Yeh, I agree, sorta short sided on the part of the company since they put him in a seat for a position he needed. He will surely find something better!

Since they don't pay during training and thus not an employee...at least he doesn't have to claim he worked somewhere and failed a test. (he still has to justify a lapse in employment....but that doesn't seem to be too tuff these days)

Wow, ten pages on the topic for all of 1% of Skywest's flying.

" As of September**CENSORED**30, 2004, approximately 42% of SkyWest’s capacity (measured in available seat miles or “ASMs”) was operated under the Delta code, approximately 57% was operated under the United code and approximately 1% was operated under the Continental code.**CENSORED** As of September**CENSORED**30, 2004, SkyWest operated a fleet of 74 EMB120s, 121 CRJ200s and seven CRJ 700s."

 

[swoopyswoop]

maybe so or maybe not

 

[Mookie]

there was a guy who got so trashed one saturday night during ground school, he couldn't get in his room, crapped his pants, and smeared it all over the walls. got shaet canned the next day. aparently they re-interviewed the whole class to find out why they just put him in a cab back to hotel despite his overt drunkeness.

maybe that's what happned to this guy?

Mookie