Skywest losses IAH COEX flying

[sstearns2]

Just posted on the Skywest sites. It's not a major deal for the airline as it's only about 80 out of 1900+ pilots, but it's a real bummer for everyone working down there. Flying goes to Colgan flying Saabs.

Scott

 

[Full of LUV]

They get paid too much!

They get paid too much!

I didn't know the contract was up or I would have put together a plan using some "retired" school busses driven by "guest" workers from south of the border to distribute those texas pax.

 

[Skaff]

Just posted on the Skywest sites. It's not a major deal for the airline as it's only about 80 out of 1900+ pilots, but it's a real bummer for everyone working down there. Flying goes to Colgan flying Saabs.

Scott

Hey Jackass, why do you have to post private info on a public site. Let management announce the stuff publicly before you blab. This is why management is so tight lipped in disseminating material.

 

[smellthejeta]

Hey Jackass, why do you have to post private info on a public site. Let management announce the stuff publicly before you blab. This is why management is so tight lipped in disseminating material.

Who cares? When I worked for Atlantic Coast, I used to get pissed because I'd find better information about the company in the trade mags than I would in the "internal" daily briefings.

I can't remember if SkyWest is publicly traded or not, but with so much emphasis being placed on insider trading these days, if you're going to mass disseminate information to your employees, you pretty much have to disseminate it publicly as well. Otherwise, if it was found that employees dumped a bunch of stock after an "internal" memo was mass dissminated, the company would be in hot water.

 

[Nova]

Hey Jackass, why do you have to post private info on a public site. Let management announce the stuff publicly before you blab. This is why management is so tight lipped in disseminating material.

It can't be that secret since the folks at XJet saw it coming. You make it sound as if you guys secret agents or something.

 

[hotwing]

How did you guys at XJT see it coming? I am curious?

 

[CheckandSet]

Nothing WAS Announced on OUR WEB SITE! Your the first one I heard it from. It's funny how they awarded 8 new upgrades and announced a new airport.

 

[captjim]

Rumor has it that CAL was not happy with Skywest. The performance was not what had been expected. We at XJT begain noticing that we were get flying back that had gone to Skywest. Example: SJT, CLL, Texarkana. I also spoke with a ramper that told me that SKYW was leaving lots of people and bags behind due to performance limitations.


I don't know how true it is that Skywest is going away, but that's what's floating around here. The U.S.A Today article last week also talked about opening up turboprop flying for bid.

 

[Nova]

How did you guys at XJT see it coming? I am curious?

Who knows how the talking starts but I'd heard that Skywest was losing the IAH flying for a few weeks now from both pilots and instructors.

 

[trip]

Im sure colgan and the PFT hommies will show you what a airline should look like. The Pay-for-training crowd was able to underbid the nopay-for-training folks at SKYW. The race to the bottom continues- no end in site.

Enjoy!

 

[mmmdonut]

The Saab is probably a better plane to use. I hope they paint them in Continental colors.

 

[scotts]

On a related note, how will the Saab do in the Houston heat this summer?

 

[av8tor02]

hey Captjim (aka helmet)
I bet you are a wannabe captain....you probably just throw gear and luggage. For you to sit there and tell the forums that CAL was not happy with SkyWest is the funniest @&$% that I have ever heard. SkyWest has a AWESOME product and will continue to do so for quite some time. Find yourself dude, and for everyone else that thinks Colgan has and can offer a better product than SkyWest....think again. "TRIP" said it right...the race to the bottom continues even though he doesn't know what he is talking about. Cornballs

 

[homerjdispatch]

checkandset

check your pm's

 

[Truckdriver]

Av8tor02,


A good product in the airline business is an ontime airline for both people and bags. SKYW has not been doing that hot of a job in either category here in IAH. They show ontime because they call their own times. I have heard a number of ops calls with the times being called ontime when in fact they are late. With the new bag weight issue, they also leave behind people and bags on a regular basis. The product is not by any means the greatest here in IAH. I've flown on SKYW a number of times both on the 120 and on the CRJ. In my opinion, there are other carriers out there that do a much better job. XJT offers a far more seamless, comfortable, and friendly operation that any SKYW flight I've been on.

With that being said, in the end SKYW lost the flying because they were underbid. SKYW has also been losing money since they showed up in IAH so I'll bet they really aren't too upset that this little experiment is over. It really has nothing to do with the product quality. Can Colgan offer a better product? I guess we will all see later this year. This isn't really a big deal for SKYW except for those crewmembers who settled down and made plans to be in IAH for some time.

 

[Ben Johnson]

Any of those ex Beech Colgan's want to chime in the SAAB. How mant times did they cover for a broken SAAB? Just an opion but the SAAB is a MX problem. This quoted directly from the MX dept at colgan. This is a cheaper product, not a better one. Not trying to ruffle the feathers but all of us (the airlines) are strapped for Cash. I have no experiance with Skywest. But to say Colgan has a better product with the reputation Skywest has. Well... any of those ex Colgan's want to chime in...

 

[BluDevAv8r]

hey Captjim (aka helmet)
I bet you are a wannabe captain....you probably just throw gear and luggage. For you to sit there and tell the forums that CAL was not happy with SkyWest is the funniest @&$% that I have ever heard. SkyWest has a AWESOME product and will continue to do so for quite some time. Find yourself dude, and for everyone else that thinks Colgan has and can offer a better product than SkyWest....think again. "TRIP" said it right...the race to the bottom continues even though he doesn't know what he is talking about. Cornballs

CaptJim is most definitely a captain here at XJT. He has been for over 4 years now.

While I cannot get into details, if there is a change in who does CAL's prop flying, it will be for a reason. Infighting between one airline's pilots and another is silly and futile, yet continues unabated over time sadly.

Please remember that Skywest has been flying down in Houston on a "pro rate" basis, meaning they (Skywest) bear the risk of each and every flight they conduct down in IAH. If the flight has 1 person on it, they will most likely lose money and if it has 30, they will most likely make money. Their agreement with CAL is NOT a "cost-plus" or "fixed fee for departure" type of deal where the risk is borne by CAL.

Whatever happens in the future, I hope it does not result in job losses at Skywest (if they are in fact leaving IAH) and I hope that whichever prop carrier comes in provides a quality product. CAL can't afford to piss off too many of its customers these days.

-Neal

 

[Fly BI]

It's a real bummer that CAL wouldn't just give the routes to XJT operating the EMB-135s.

 

[Soulfly00]

Question

So can someone say that it is 100% confirmed that Colgan is the carrier that won the contract? Or is this still rumor.

 

[sstearns2]

Hey Jackass, why do you have to post private info on a public site. Let management announce the stuff publicly before you blab. This is why management is so tight lipped in disseminating material.

It’s interesting what happens to respect when you add a little anonymity. Skywest loosing COEX flying is not a company secret. Would one of our V.P.’s post it on I-share if it were?



Scott

 

[FlyChicaga]

On a related note, how will the Saab do in the Houston heat this summer?

Not well. Especially the A-model Saabs. Probably see passenger counts in the 26-29 range in the summer. Don't plan on commuting on them.

 

[Azul]

I love to see the skywest pilots get all upset about losing the CO flying. Do worry your airline still reigns supreme over all others! You guys really don't need to worry I mean those 80 pilots will for sure find jobs when you take over AWAC's flying. It sucks to get underbid doesen't it.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

It's a real bummer that CAL wouldn't just give the routes to XJT operating the EMB-135s.

We originally did a lot of that flying with our 120's and ATR's and after 9/11, went to an all-jet fleet. We tried operating 135's and 145's to some of these stations but unfortunately, CAL was losing its shirt. We operate under a "cost plus" arrangement whereby CAL pays us if we are empty or full. The loads on some of these flights were abysmal so CAL experimented with Commutair and Skywest under a pro-rate agreement in CLE and IAH respectively.

-Neal

 

[BRA]

I think it had to do with the saab holding 34 pax vs the emb holding 30? Of course, the PFT operation we had going last year could have contributed. That is dried up now. Training is paid for, but new hires do sign a contract. I think many airlines bid on the flying, i saw in some other thread that horizon bid on it too. That may have been in the latest colgan thread going around.

Now that i think of it....i think colgan does pay in training right now, and provides a hotel throughout. Skywest doen't pay, but does provide a hotel. Looking at the pay rates...skywest seems to be better. (EMB side) I would guess the work rules and per diem are better at skywest at also.

 

[av8n4life]

Colgan does not fly a model saabs...so they shouldn't have weight issues and you can definately plan on using colgan to commute

 

[FlyChicaga]

Ok then. What are your passenger weights? Ours made the Saab a 32-seat (sometimes 31 or 30) airplane. Sometimes down to 28 in the summer... and they were B models.

 

[flifo81]

Just posted on the Skywest sites.

On what sites did you find the info?? And Colgan does only fly B-Model SAABS with 34 seats.

 

[hotwing]

incorrect info

Rumor has it that CAL was not happy with Skywest. The performance was not what had been expected.
- bad info - CAL put flying that was to exp out for bid and the lowest bidder won - nothing to do with SKYW's performance! I like when people just come up with conclusions that r not right - it is better to be factual with info. Cal is low bidding now XJT, watch out in '07...

 

[XRMEFLYER]

The Saab is probably a better plane to use. .

How so?

 

[captjim]

hey Captjim (aka helmet)
I bet you are a wannabe captain....you probably just throw gear and luggage. For you to sit there and tell the forums that CAL was not happy with SkyWest is the funniest @&$% that I have ever heard. SkyWest has a AWESOME product and will continue to do so for quite some time. Find yourself dude, and for everyone else that thinks Colgan has and can offer a better product than SkyWest....think again. "TRIP" said it right...the race to the bottom continues even though he doesn't know what he is talking about. Cornballs

Dude grow up. Debate or explain your point of view like an someone who is paid to think first and act second. I'll not reply to your toughtless rants again. And what is find yourself? I'm sitting at home watching football!

Reread my post and comprehend. As I said, rumor has it that CAL is not happy. This is what has been floating around for quite sometime, not only here but with IAH Skywest employees as well.