mckpickle
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BluDevAv8r said:Settle down Steve. For starters, CAL didn't have 287 RJ's on order when C'97 was signed. The big order that brought XJT up to 274 aircraft occurred in February 2000, well after C'97 was signed. You just went and blamed a guy who was probably hired in 97 or 98 for something that is really a national type of an issue. Not just CAL...but all mainline carriers.
2000 pilots were not "screwed by the sell off" as you claim. Quite the contrary. If we weren't IPO'd, we'd still be lumped under the CAL financial statements and we'd have as much success in negotiations as ASA is having right now - which is very little unfortunately. The IPO was probably the best thing to ever happen to us. How did it screw us? The FTA would have died due to the sunset date anyway.
Furthermore, CAL didn't "kick us out." You know that too. The "one list" idea was great in theory...and maybe had a chance...way back when (under the IACP), but not now.
Another uncalled-for comment Steve. And you know it. Remember the cardinal rule - don't drink and post. Now on to more important things....when are you buying me my beer?
Neal I stand corrected on the RJ orders, however the CAL pilot group did know the RJ ws coming and did nothing to stop them.
As for being kicked out, I seem to recall the IAH CAL reps stating that we would be blocked from striking and thus "hurting" CAL financially (like comair did to Delta) if we did not agree to separate the MEC. So to me that is being Kicked out.
Now the SSL, had merit and a chance. But the CAL guys did nothing. It was very plausible and possible but when 1/2 the pilot group was set to retire in 10 years the only thing they care about is keeping the company solvent long enough for them to get out. And if they sell the pilots below them out....so be it. Other CAL pilots, other UNION pilots of both CAL and EXPRESS.
The argument that we would not have secured a contract like we just did is valid. However, had we not spun off we would continue to have career progression an seniority list movement. In about 3-400 pilots the movement at express is going to come to a grinding halt.
SO ya I'm a little pissed that our "union" brothers sold us out.
I stand by my statement about bout ALPA letting CAL back in. They have historically been the most disfunctional pilot group in ALPA. They also had the only opportunity that ALPA has seen to control the Continental "BRAND" and gave it away...............for nothing!