Skywest Lawsuit - Pilot wins!

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As I have stated many a time on this forum, I don't care. And I don't spout rhetoric. I've just been labeled a management lackey because I can't just sit there and watch all those ALPA supporters call out managements spins and tout their own words as gospel not to be questioned. Hypocrissy runs rampant on the both sides.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

As I have stated many a time on this forum, I don't care. And I don't spout rhetoric. I've just been labeled a management lackey because I can't just sit there and watch all those ALPA supporters call out managements spins and tout their own words as gospel not to be questioned. Hypocrissy runs rampant on the both sides.

As stated before, he gets paid by BH per post. The only thing he spouts is rhetoric, is a management lackey, otherwise why would he be posting on things "he doesn't care about" SKYW St George is starting to panic since the "A" team has flubbed the anti-alpa drive, the "D" team trolls have been drafted to swing from the benches, and watching them swing from the corporate benches(dispatch computer consoles), is humorous. Swing away "Benchwarmers".
PBR
Too bad Jon Lovitz isn't on your team, I think SAG has his back.

 

[XPOO]

Well at least I'm the first so-called "Management lackey" to admit he works in the OCC, this gives everyone with a thinking brain to ability to either credit what I say or not without you having to come in trying to act like their savior scaring them into thinking I get paid by management to state my own opinion about things. Are you thinking before you post, at all?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Well at least I'm the first so-called "Management lackey" to admit he works in the OCC, this gives everyone with a thinking brain to ability to either credit what I say or not without you having to come in trying to act like their savior scaring them into thinking I get paid by management to state my own opinion about things. Are you thinking before you post, at all?

I think you are too stupid to work in aviation, but you don't do you? Paid by the post? Yup!
PBR

 

[XPOO]

I sure wish I was, but they said I already made more money than half the pilots to begin with.

 

[Soverytired]

Lets see,
Lets assume DD was an EMB Captain for all of his 16 years(not likely) at SKYW and was making $80,000 per year.
$80,000 X 16 years= $1,280,000
ALPA dues .0195 per year.
1,280,000 X .0195 = $24,960
Quite a bit less than the 150K he spent on his lawsuit out of his own pocket.
Still wondering?
PBR

Using your numbers, assume that 2% of 80k per year was invested in a tax sheltered 401 (k) that grew at 9% annually starting at age 30 and ending at age 65 (cuz we all know the age 65 rule is coming).


NO 2% Dues (you keep and invest): [SIZE=-1]$359,152

vs.

With 2% Dues (for ALPA) : $0


I don't disagree that ALPA may provide a legal service; clearly they do. But just like "free" Canadian health care, it ain't free.

You pay for it. Every. Single. Check. For your whole career, whether you use it or not.

I think the VAST majority of pilots will never need it, and would be better served if they used that money as they saw fit. Dumping it into ALPA coffers "just in case" seems a poor allocation of personal resources.

That 2% is a HUGE lost opportunity over the cost of a lifetime.




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[GuppyPuppy]

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I don't disagree that ALPA may provide a legal service; clearly they do.

I think the VAST majority of pilots will never need it, and would be better served if they used that money as they saw fit. Dumping it into ALPA coffers "just in case" seems a poor allocation of personal resources.

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So, you think insurance (home, health, auto) isn't worth it because you probably won't use it's benefits anyway? What if you do need those benefits? What if you happen to need them soon after joining the plan?

I think it is cheap insurance to help you keep a decent paying job. Just my opinion.

GP

 

[Soverytired]

So, you think insurance (home, health, auto) isn't worth it because you probably won't use it's benefits anyway? What if you do need those benefits? What if you happen to need them soon after joining the plan?

I think it is cheap insurance to help you keep a decent paying job. Just my opinion.

GP

No, I think health, auto, and home insurance are great ideas. I shop around constantly to get the best value for my dollar.

I don't think ALPA legal services are "cheap" in any way, shape or form though. When I turn 65 I'll have over 1/3 of a million extra in the bank to blow on beer and strippers and to leave to my 50 cats.

You'll have no $$$ from that 2%, but you'll have had "peace of mind" for 35 years. And maybe, (though statistically unlikely), you'll have actually used their legal services.

That's completely your choice, and I respect that.

What I don't like is when a crap union like ALPA gets it's hooks into a pilot group and forces everyone to pay. You'll note that I pick out "ALPA" . . I'm NOT anti-union, but after a decade of failure, I just can't believe ANYONE would go with that outfit.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Using your numbers, assume that 2% of 80k per year was invested in a tax sheltered 401 (k) that grew at 9% annually starting at age 30 and ending at age 65 (cuz we all know the age 65 rule is coming).


NO 2% Dues (you keep and invest): [SIZE=-1]$359,152

vs.

With 2% Dues (for ALPA) : $0


I don't disagree that ALPA may provide a legal service; clearly they do. But just like "free" Canadian health care, it ain't free.

You pay for it. Every. Single. Check. For your whole career, whether you use it or not.

I think the VAST majority of pilots will never need it, and would be better served if they used that money as they saw fit. Dumping it into ALPA coffers "just in case" seems a poor allocation of personal resources.

That 2% is a HUGE lost opportunity over the cost of a lifetime.




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Now use your numbers to figure out how much more you'd have after 35 years in a tax sheltered 401K that grew at 9% using the $150,000 it cost DD out of his own pocket...and while you're at it, assume that you're smart enough to write that 2% you keep throwing out there, off on your taxes!!!

 

[120% Torque]

Using your numbers, assume that 2% of 80k per year was invested in a tax sheltered 401 (k) that grew at 9% annually starting at age 30 and ending at age 65 (cuz we all know the age 65 rule is coming).


NO 2% Dues (you keep and invest): [SIZE=-1]$359,152

vs.

With 2% Dues (for ALPA) : $0


I don't disagree that ALPA may provide a legal service; clearly they do. But just like "free" Canadian health care, it ain't free.

You pay for it. Every. Single. Check. For your whole career, whether you use it or not.

I think the VAST majority of pilots will never need it, and would be better served if they used that money as they saw fit. Dumping it into ALPA coffers "just in case" seems a poor allocation of personal resources.

That 2% is a HUGE lost opportunity over the cost of a lifetime.
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And after that compare how much more a friend of mine made flying for the majors, compounded with interest, after he had some issues with an EKG and heart readings that were "abnormal", resolved with the FAA? He did this with the help of Alpa Aeromedical and an exhaustive campaign by a host of very expensive doctors paid for by Alpa. Please also note this pilot had these problems while flying for a small regional at the time, with low pay and could never have afforded the specialists to do this on his own. Without Alpa, he likely would have had to pull the plug on aviation altogether losing tens of thousands of dollars invested early in his career for training, not to mentions years of time (time is money). Lets us know how much all this was worth factoring in the time value of money and lets see where we stand? If you guess within $100 dollars then this showcase showdown is yours along with your neihbors.

PS- peace of mind is worth alot more than you are giving it credit for.