Skywest Cabin Nazi?????

[B727FA]

The car seat did not have shoulder harnesses and used the seat belt from the seat...Is this a case of a cabin nazi, or is there an FAA regulation against car seat without shoulder restraints?

The FA was correct. Must have a hard back, hard seat, harness & FMVSS. Check out FAR 121.311/.317 or it may have "FAA approved in accordance with 14 CFR 21.305(d) approved for aircraft use only."

If the seat is from another country it might carry the UN "Circle E" symbol.

There are a couple of other things you can look for that are date specific (like pre-1985) and almost never seen anymore.

 

[B727FA]

RE: the assumption/accusation that the FA "wasn't doing her job." The A/C was a 700 model and there's a good chance the FA who "was the Nazi" was the "B" FA who saw the kid during taxi-out while coming forward for her demo. Awfully quick to judge folks...

 

[dooork]

She was doing her job.
Seems like any car seat with shoulder harness would be safer than in your arms.

 

[EngineOut]

I had a couple of flights today coming back from a vacation. The tickets were through United, but the last leg of it was on a Skywest operated flight in a CRJ 700. I was traveling with a 4 year old and she had a car seat that we carried onto the plane. We were told taxiing out that the car seat was against FAA regulations and that she could not sit in it. The plane stopped and the flight attendant took the car seat and put it in an empty seat in the front of the airplane.

My question is, was she right in doing that? I know the folks around us that had to suffer 20 minutes of crying thought that it was not right.

I have never heard of a regulation on the type of car seat that can be used, but I have only flown corporate.

The car seat did not have shoulder harnesses and used the seat belt from the seat.

Either way, the woman was extremely rude and seemed like she just had to express her power some how. It wouldn't have been as bad if one of the 4 other legs that we had been on in the previous week had done the same thing. Each time someone that took our tickets asked if we were going to check the seat, we just said she would sit in it and no one questioned anything.

Is this a case of a cabin nazi, or is there an FAA regulation against car seat without shoulder restraints?

Was this a flight from Denver to Huntsville or Memphis?

 

[JAFI]

I went to the faa.gov site and searched for "approved child seat" = = guess what the first hit was....


http://www.faa.gov/passengers/fly_children/crs/

 

[flylike44]

Drive if you're going to bring your screaming life ruiner on board to annoy everyone.

 

[ehaecker]

+1 on that!
I can't stand out of control kids in airplanes/airports. If you can't control your kid, you have no business bringing him/her along with you to annoy all other customers... not to mention that it's a safety issue. I understand that there are always exceptions (family emergency, etc...) but it seems that most of the "annoying kid" scenarios are just perfect examples of poor parenting and complete disregard for others comfort/sanity.

 

[piav8r]

Interesting... so I shouldn't be allowed to travel if I have a kid?

I do the best I can to keep my child quiet, but more than likely the first time he is on an airplane he is probably going to cry because it is a new experience, and he will be scared. I will gladly appologize to anyone sitting next to me and will probably try to seat myself in an area of the plane that is as open as possible... but give me a break, kids cry!

If you don't like it, buy a first class ticket where kids aren't allowed! But I have traveled next to many a crying child and I don't let it bother me because it is a fact of life.

Get over yourself...

 

[Blucher]

Kids are allowed in first class.

 

[skypine69]

pretty easy to see who has kids on here and who does not

 

[CFIT]

pretty easy to see who has kids on here and who does not

Or the ones that realize that children need discipline and guidance and the one's that think the Flight Attendant is their own personal baby sitter.


And yes I have kids.

 

[sunlitpath]

Interesting... so I shouldn't be allowed to travel if I have a kid?

I do the best I can to keep my child quiet, but more than likely the first time he is on an airplane he is probably going to cry because it is a new experience, and he will be scared. I will gladly appologize to anyone sitting next to me and will probably try to seat myself in an area of the plane that is as open as possible... but give me a break, kids cry!

If you don't like it, buy a first class ticket where kids aren't allowed! But I have traveled next to many a crying child and I don't let it bother me because it is a fact of life.

Get over yourself...

That is correct. You should not be able to fly if you cannot manage your child's behavior. Most mothers and fathers have the skill to quiet their crying child in a reasonable amount of time. If a parent is at least trying to quiet the child, that goes a long way. Unmanageable children are created at home, not on airplanes. If you can't manage them, please don't bring them; and please don't bring them to the restaurant or movie theater either.

 

[piav8r]

sunlitpath, if my kid starts crying, I don't wait, I am immediately heading somewhere with him, back of the church, out of the restraunt etc, and he's only one year old and can't be expected to know when he should or shouldn't be crying, so blow me...

Working in the airline industry has taught me how sh!tty our FA's are treated and would never expect someone else to take care of or deal with my child. This is also why I have chosen not to travel with him to this point. However, I would hope that someone would have compassion and not think that I am a horrible person if my child is crying, because I will be doing everything I can to comfort him, keep him quiet and avoiding disturbing those around me.

If that is not acceptable to you, I really don't give a F^ck.

I'm pretty sure Delta policy at least for non-rev travel is that children have to be at least 6 years of age to be listed in first class, like I said, haven't gone anywhere, but have played with some listings and I know I can't list for 1st with my son...

 

[sunlitpath]

sunlitpath, if my kid starts crying, I don't wait, I am immediately heading somewhere with him, back of the church, out of the restraunt etc, and he's only one year old and can't be expected to know when he should or shouldn't be crying, so blow me...

Working in the airline industry has taught me how sh!tty our FA's are treated and would never expect someone else to take care of or deal with my child. This is also why I have chosen not to travel with him to this point. However, I would hope that someone would have compassion and not think that I am a horrible person if my child is crying, because I will be doing everything I can to comfort him, keep him quiet and avoiding disturbing those around me.

If that is not acceptable to you, I really don't give a F^ck.

I'm pretty sure Delta policy at least for non-rev travel is that children have to be at least 6 years of age to be listed in first class, like I said, haven't gone anywhere, but have played with some listings and I know I can't list for 1st with my son...

You may be accustomed to other guys "blowing you", but I am not that type. Your interest in having sexual relations with me is flattering yet quite disgusting, but no thanks. Furthermore, if you are trying to quell your big mouth baby's crying, then you are not liable for the excruciating discomfort that is being endured by those around you. Don't rely on the compassion of other travellers to put up with your lazy parenting. So, go fly a kite dimwit.

 

[The_Skids]

The child was not out of line until the flight attendant rudely took the unapproved chair. And out of line in this instance was her crying because she felt unsafe because she did not have the seat. There was nothing that could have been done except for the return of the seat (which was not going to happen).

I am not faulting the flight attendant for doing her job. It is the manner in which she did it and the attitude that she had.

I did not know that the seat was unapproved for aircraft. I thought it was strange that we had no problems with the seat in an aircraft seat in the 4 previous legs.

I keep my child in check and do not ask anyone else to watch, manage, or baby sit her. I do not appreciate the way the situation was handled and felt almost helpless while it was unfolding. I did not want to become a victim of a power tripping F/A. A simple explanation during or after the flight would have sufficed.

I deal with customers day in and day out and know that some people just suck, no question about it. I do not demand any special treatment, being a pilot myself and not being familiar with that particular reg. I had to at least question it.