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no sound with windows media player?

though I think its a prob on my end, why does winamp not show it as a supported type, and therefore wont play it?

any geeks out there?
 
Hey guys,

For those who are on the fence about the union drive, I would humbly submit this:

ALPA will be whatever you guys make of it. It is much more a "local politics" organization than you have been told. Just look at the disparity of the different ALPA pilot groups out there. ie. Mesa and Comair. (lowest paid to previously highest paid)

They bring a huge arsenal of national assets, but the success or failure of the union falls almost completely at the local level. You won't find yourselves a pawn of some big ogre, nor will you find yourselves rescued.

What you will get out of the union is completely up to you. The difference is that you will be able to negotiate within a legal framework and the results of your efforts will be legally binding.

The company will still have the operational flexibility needed to remain competitive, as long as they work through the process and treat the pilot group fairly.

So pick up the phone.

That's my take.
 
inthegoo said:
no sound with windows media player?

though I think its a prob on my end, why does winamp not show it as a supported type, and therefore wont play it?

any geeks out there?
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Because winamp was so 90's, try VLC Player....it's in the now.
 
Vote Yes ... Vote No .... JUST VOTE! Do not leave your career to chance.
 
buscap said:
Hey guys,

For those who are on the fence about the union drive, I would humbly submit this:

ALPA will be whatever you guys make of it. It is much more a "local politics" organization than you have been told. Just look at the disparity of the different ALPA pilot groups out there. ie. Mesa and Comair. (lowest paid to previously highest paid)

They bring a huge arsenal of national assets, but the success or failure of the union falls almost completely at the local level. You won't find yourselves a pawn of some big ogre, nor will you find yourselves rescued.

What you will get out of the union is completely up to you. The difference is that you will be able to negotiate within a legal framework and the results of your efforts will be legally binding.

The company will still have the operational flexibility needed to remain competitive, as long as they work through the process and treat the pilot group fairly.

So pick up the phone.

That's my take.
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Nice post and Very True!!
 
buscap said:
Hey guys,

For those who are on the fence about the union drive, I would humbly submit this:

ALPA will be whatever you guys make of it. It is much more a "local politics" organization than you have been told. Just look at the disparity of the different ALPA pilot groups out there. ie. Mesa and Comair. (lowest paid to previously highest paid)

They bring a huge arsenal of national assets, but the success or failure of the union falls almost completely at the local level. You won't find yourselves a pawn of some big ogre, nor will you find yourselves rescued.

What you will get out of the union is completely up to you. The difference is that you will be able to negotiate within a legal framework and the results of your efforts will be legally binding.

The company will still have the operational flexibility needed to remain competitive, as long as they work through the process and treat the pilot group fairly.

So pick up the phone.

That's my take.
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hit the nail on the head.

At XJ National ALPA was very supportive during the bankruptcy and brought forth assets that would not have been available had we been without a union. Our local MECs do a great job and it is good to know that the protection is there if you need it. Get involved its your carreer.
 
120% Torque said:
For those still doing your research to make an informed decision, this video is a good synopsis of what Alpa can do at Skywest. It has several Skywest guys in it as well.

http://mmslb.eonstreams.com/alpa/Natl/Organizing/Skywest_high.wmv
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Thank you 120% we are now all dumber after having sat through that. You are awarded no points and may God have mercy on your soul!

Not calling is voting! If and yes I said if, alpa does not get voted in you cannot say its because we were too lazy to vote. We know that not calling is voting no!
 
CoATP said:
Vote Yes ... Vote No .... JUST VOTE! Do not leave your career to chance.
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uummmh....there is not an option for "no" on the vote line.......so if you do not want a union....dont call.........the option is "ALPA" or a "write in"....by voice.


by the way...i did vote the other day....for ALPA....
 
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jea said:
Thank you 120% we are now all dumber after having sat through that. You are awarded no points and may God have mercy on your soul!

Not calling is voting! If and yes I said if, alpa does not get voted in you cannot say its because we were too lazy to vote. We know that not calling is voting no!
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So jea, what reason do you have for not voting in ALPA? Is it the dues? For the life of me I can't think of a single negative about being LEGALLY represented. As was stated many times in the video, you as a pilot at Skywest would have the ability to control your destiny, not some mgmt. funded lackeys. So please tell everyone on this board what your main concern with union representation is, we would like to hear it.
 
outtahere said:
So jea, what reason do you have for not voting in ALPA? Is it the dues? For the life of me I can't think of a single negative about being LEGALLY represented. As was stated many times in the video, you as a pilot at Skywest would have the ability to control your destiny, not some mgmt. funded lackeys. So please tell everyone on this board what your main concern with union representation is, we would like to hear it.
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I trust our "management lackeys" more than alpa lackeys. I'm not saying sapa is the solution. I am just fully aware of how inept alpa is. I also enjoy being able to walk into anyone in managements office and vent. I have done this a few times. They really arent as bad as some people say. I think alpa is absolutely the mafia legalized. You cannot trust them with anything! Yes we should be paid a bit more I have mentioned that many times- however compare everything we bring home to what others bring home... we have it good. I dont like that some policys change with just a pen stroke- it actually pisses me off. I dont think that having alpas legally binding contract is worth the trade.
Notice I didnt say I have the solutions? alpa isnt, sapa is just as bad in the other direction.
Not that my opinion matters but I think that alpa will pass. We will have our "legally binding contract" after our awesome reps with alpas help negotiate away many benefits we have. Not worth it to me.
The dues dont matter a bit I can budget and make do. I planned my employment at the regional level so I prepared for it financially- I gave up 6 years or so of seniority but its been worth it.
 
what jea said.

if it passes, I'll volunteer and help out. I have very little faith, though, that a rookie MEC will be able to protect lots of the little goodies that we enjoy now. managements attitude will be 'fine, we'll do it the ALPA way.' all we can hope for in terms of a contract is what others have gotten on their first try.
 
Hey Skynation! I have a great Idea- Ill buy the drinks- you get the popcorn... we can invite pbr streetgang cause I know how much he likes us, we can also invite 120% Torque and we can watch this alpa video over and over!!!!!!! you know, since its "good watch" ha ha ha ha ha
 
SkyNation said:
if it passes, I'll volunteer and help out. I have very little faith, though, that a rookie MEC will be able to protect lots of the little goodies that we enjoy now.
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If it passes, I sincerely hope you'll admit your real name on here so those of us who are sickened by your attitude can be sure not to vote for you as a rep. Honestly, I think SkyWest ALPA can do without volunteers with your mentality. We have enough pro-pilot pilots here that we'd probably do better without your "contribution".
 
See here is where I get confused. You say you don't trust the ALPA lackeys, well you are the ALPA lackey. You make or break your own destiny, well you and the rest of your group. Solidarity wins. As far as losing goodies, well that depends, at first you will maintain everything you have right now, mgmt. can't change it just because your now represented, thats the whole status quo thing, your current rules are frozen until you negotiate your first contract. Then when you start negotiating, you will have to horse trade to get some gains in some areas, but Skywest is extremely profitable, so this will not be anywhere near consessions. From my point of view, you all should atleast score ASA's latest TA, plus some of the goodies you are afraid you will lose, not to mention a split rate for the 200/700. Also, you will still be able to go and vent to the chief pilots etc. except now if you happen to piss one off they can't just fire you for the heck of it. A union is just a way to help level the playing field between mgmt. and labor, no it is not anywhere close to level, but atleast you are no longer at will employees subject to mgmts. whims. As many have stated before on here, a union is what YOU make it.
 
Bluto said:
If it passes, I sincerely hope you'll admit your real name on here so those of us who are sickened by your attitude can be sure not to vote for you as a rep. Honestly, I think SkyWest ALPA can do without volunteers with your mentality. We have enough pro-pilot pilots here that we'd probably do better without your "contribution".
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please explain what about my attitude has 'sickened' you and wow me with your insight into 'my mentality.' and if you can, include some of my posts that indicate that I am anti-pilot.

BTW, if it's voted in, I can guarantee I'll hold a position. There's no way I'll let the anti-company crowd infect our workplace with their entitlement attitudes.
 
BTW, if it's voted in, I can guarantee I'll hold a position. There's no way I'll let the anti-company crowd infect our workplace with their entitlement attitudes.
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Are you gonna refer our pilot group to this web sight so they can get a taste of where you stand on things?
 
why would I refer them here after we vote it in? my position during this drive has been that I don't want it. if we vote it in, then my position will be that I'll make the most of it, trusting the collective will of our pilot group. what other choice would I have but to make the most of it?

besides, this site and all of it's verbal gamesmanship on 'the issues' is as much entertainment as anything else. any hope of serious, thoughtful dialogue is immediately put asunder by the usual jackasses. my calling them on it is often in mocking reaction to their ill-informed and juvenile tone.

what about you, if it's voted down? will you concede that the message put forth wasn't compelling enough to pass? or will you buy into the spin of 120% when he says the the machine of the company in communicating with us was too formidable for the OC to overcome?
 
what about you, if it's voted down? will you concede that the message put forth wasn't compelling enough to pass? or will you buy into the spin of 120% when he says the the machine of the company in communicating with us was too formidable for the OC to overcome?
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If this drive doesn't pass then I'm gonna try to get over to a union carrier. I've spent too many years at this company without legal representation.

If ALPA is voted in, I would hope you would make your positions very clear to our pilot group. Based on what I have seen here on F.I., I would not vote for you.
 
Skywest Pylot said:
If ALPA is voted in, I would hope you would make your positions very clear to our pilot group. Based on what I have seen here on F.I., I would not vote for you.
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and what positions, specifically, are you referring to?
 
Skynation said,

I have very little faith, though, that a rookie MEC will be able to protect lots of the little goodies that we enjoy now.
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I didn't have to look very far for the first of your many positions that I don't agree with. This sounds a lot like some of our SAPA reps. This sir, is exactly why I wouldn't want you in our MEC. I am tired of my "representatives" walking into negotiations with such low expectations and then trying to sell me on what little Brad decided to give them.
 
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