Skyway Delta Thoughts

[House_X]

Again, the issue about IAD sim time not being used as much is directly related to the level of training we received at that facility. From an aircraft perspective, the instructors were top-notch. But, SYX was/is having an issue with the instructors not being well-versed in our policies/procedures. As I've written before, our primary sim is Dallas with Dulles as the secondary.

Financing? There has never been talk about SYX not being able to finance anything. The issue isn't SYX's financing abilities but DL's overall financial situation. SYX was not the initiator in requesting implementation be delayed until early next year. It has been mentioned DL is paying all newhire training costs (post March 1 class) and I'm pretty confident agreements are in place for DL to repay SYX for associated non-training costs in the event the deal is not finalized. Confidentiality agreements may have been signed by those involved with the negotiations which prevent them from discussing the status of the deal. When a deal is finalized, I'm sure information will be publicly posted regarding all the details.

As for the number of crews, SYX was to only get 10 airplanes originally with the balance delivered over the course of 15 months. Why pay for training to immediately staff 30 airplanes when 10 are being delivered in the beginning? There has been some talk DL will only use 20 DoJets in CVG and SYX would get the other 10 for Midwest Connect growth.

However true that may be, SYX mechanics have done an outstanding job of maintaining our planes. It's a testament to their abilities to "think outside the box". Having come from an operation where maintenance was questionable, it's great to know we have airplanes that are well-maintained by a group of dedicated mechanics.

Peace

SF

The thing I don't like about this deal is lack of information. Nobody is talking. I hope our mgt doesn't expect to just simply walk away from the leases Nov. 1st and expect DAL to eat the airplanes. Because I doubt DAL is going to sit on 30 Dorniers parked on "the hangar pad" next to 18L. It's going to get ugly fast...
Also, if DAL wanted Skyway to take over CVG you guys would have a deal by now...maybe Skyway is waitng for DAL to make a move against Indy? I feel like I'm in the movie Scarface...who's going to make the first move?

 

[metroplex]

I love all this speculation. there is no info out there because there is nothing to talk and know about. both sides are waiting what is going to happen with DL.
maybe skyway does not want to be part of (maybe) a chapter 11 airline. that's
only a pain.
I agree , skyway should not just focus on DL and also pick up some more 328s, they need them.

 

[House_X]

I love all this speculation. there is no info out there because there is nothing to talk and know about. both sides are waiting what is going to happen with DL.
maybe skyway does not want to be part of (maybe) a chapter 11 airline. that's
only a pain.
I agree , skyway should not just focus on DL and also pick up some more 328s, they need them.

On the contrary, there is a lot to talk about...30 airplanes and it takes about 300 pilots to fly em, and Indy has too many pilots for our start-up operation...so there's about 200 junior F/O's waiting to see what happens...present company included. Skyway has nothing to worry about because your name isn't on the leases...on Nov.1st we are going to need "Judge Mathis Brown" to sort out this "divorce" because there's a lot of money on the table and a furlough list waiting to be executed w/ a push of the button...

 

[Fallingbrick]

"Latest rumor says flying may start in Nov without a contract in place..."

This is BS. The rumor is we will operate 10 in March. It is my understanding that the aircraft need some time in MX (Starting in Nov.). Haven’t heard the reason why. Paint to Midwest Colors? We did take a break from training for September and October, but they are starting up again in November. Also, there has been no mention of any kind of bid for CGV as of yet. If this deal actually happens in March I have no idea how Delta will bridge the gap for five months. Any thoughts?

 

[SYXDude]

Heard a rumor the other day that Delta may use Skyway and the 328's during the Xmas season.

 

[WillFlyFoCookie]

FallingBrick has a good point. The planes being just parked for about 4 months doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Hopefully they won't being going down to the Arizona graveyard! The DOJets should be no more than 4 or 5 years old (although I've heard stories of brand new airplanes going down there...Yikes). Skyway was the U.S. launch customer for the DOJet and got it's first one pretty much exactly this time of the year back in '99. On that note...don't you guys miss the 90's?

I'm just guessing but I bet that current Skyway staffing would be pretty much ready to fly 10 of them anytime soon. I hope so just because all those Captains need something to do with their time! It's bad 'nuff that they hardly have anything to do when they are in that left seat! Just Kidding Guys!

 

[Justino]

Keep The Post Alive!!!!!!!!!! Go Skyway!!!!!!

 

[chperplt]

The schedule for the holiday season is already out and the CRJ or ERJ is listed on all the previous FRJ routes...

 

[Justino]

I am sorry but did u say CRJ and or ERJ! Is skyway getting these airplane? I was never told this during the interview! How many?


Thanks

J

 

[chperplt]

I am sorry but did u say CRJ and or ERJ! Is skyway getting these airplane? I was never told this during the interview! How many?

Yes, I did say CRJ and ERJ... but no, I did not say Skyway was getting any. I said, the FRJs have been replaced on the winter schedule with CRJs and ERJs.. Aircraft that Comair/ASA/CHQ fly.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Comair, Chautauqua and ASA have these airplanes. Comair is pulling back from ATL and ASA is pulling back from DFW, both assets to be re-deployed out of CVG according to company memos and schedules. It does not take much rationalization to think these moves are to backfill the DO328 operations.

We are told that both Comair and ASA were "offered" the 328's and turned them down. We also hear that Delta does not want the airplanes.

Cash is getting precious around Delta. If the DO-Jets can generate both a positive cash flow and a profit, expect them to continue flying. If they can't.... Engine changes, crew training, maintenance, another fleet type....

Heck, ASA is losing the ATR's. The ATR is a very efficient, reliable, airplane. 15,000 hours (yep) between engine changes on their periodic maintenance & inspection program. If a highly profitable airplane like the ATR is going away why does anyone think the DO328J is going to be kept around?

 

[Yudso]

Is Skyway finished interviewing? If so, how many did they place in the pool?

 

[Justino]

I dont know. I would fax your stuff in though ! Good luck


Justino

 

[Yudso]

I am already in the pool. I was just curious to see how many are already in the pool.

 

[Justino]

Anyone hear anything new about Delta or Skyway?

 

[SMOE]

Anyone hear anything new about Delta or Skyway?

Not enough to keep me from continuing interviews elsewhere. First concrete class date offer wins!

 

[SYXDude]

The schedule for the holiday season is already out and the CRJ or ERJ is listed on all the previous FRJ routes...

Schedules can and do change without notice. Just because it's written as such right now doesn't mean it can't be changed later.

 

[chperplt]

Schedules can and do change without notice. Just because it's written as such right now doesn't mean it can't be changed later.

That is very true.. However, assets from Comair/ASA/CHQ are already being relocated to cover the flying that ACA will be leaving.

Hopefully Delta will make something official soon so they can stop yanking everyones chain.

 

[Justino]

I hear that ACA will stop flying the D-328s on Nov1, anyone else hear this?

 

[CL600Pilot]

Yep - date is 1 Nov. - old news.

CL