SKYW pulls out of ASA deal, thank god!

[PBRstreetgang]

I know, I enjoy debating with all of you guys. No hard feelings, really, excpet some major crying at night!


But, I guess a contract is a contract, until we can find cheaper lift with today's costs and challenges in mind, and then replace the higher cost lift. That is what will happen. It is sad, but necessary. Hey, I didn't like a pay cut, but I realized it was necessary.


Bye Bye--General Lee

GT,
You are finally getting the picture except your pilot group is "the higher cost lift". Do you really think your companies mgmt. would rather deal with you than mesa or any of the other contract carriers, mark my word, corp. will not be happy until all of the lift is contracted to the lowest cost carrier that they can fire or whipsaw against each other to attain the lowest cost possible. Sad but true, if you want proof, look at the rest of corp. America, during the 80s and 90s, temp labor agencies were corp America's answer to expensive labor. The airline industry is about 20 years behind the times. This is sad but true, and I truly hope that I am dead wrong, but I fear I am not. One of the guys at SKYW suggested that the company place a senority calculator so the pilots could figger out their senority at age 60, unfreaking believeable, I cannot imagine being 20 something and stuck at a regional till retirement. On a final note, if your company was so worried about quality, why would they be embracing mesa? This is about whipping pilots until they are working for free/or close to it.
Wake up and smell the P00 on your shoe
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I forgot what the base number was per gallon of Jet A, but for every penny increase it was a $25 million increase in budget. Maybe it started with $1.20 or something. That was his quote.



Dave,

Sounds kinda cocky. Maybe if we go into Chap 11 we could assign new rates to you guys, or just get rid of you. Mesa would come in and do a great job I am sure. It does sound like Grinstein is trying to avoid Chap 11 at all costs (vowing to cut another $1 billion a year today), and he may just do that with Mesa and other initiatives. Your Gerry Atkins likes to tempt our management by going to ATL interested in a buyout of someone, and then says no in the end. Don't pi$$ off Mama......


Bye Bye--General Lee

Gt,
Just when I did not think you could become any more foolish, you come right out and amaze me. If you think BK is going to be dangerous for SKYW, again look at current events. UAL pre-BK 10,000+ pilots, today about 6000, SKYW pre-BK 1000 pilots, today 2000+. Who's flying do you think we are flying? The SKYW deal with UAL is better than pre-bk, you think the DAL deal will deteriorate after DAL enters BK? Do not think I am jumping for joy because I am not. I would rather be working for a mainline company at mainline wages and workrules instead of at SKYW wages and workrules.You and your mainline buds had the opportunity to stop this debacle but you stood by and watched, well continue to stand by watch the rest unfold.
PBR

 

[Russ]

Beat me to the punch, DAL impending bankruptcy would be met with the sound of champagne corks popping in Jerry's office. I imagine he and his top brass have plans for a worst case scenario of DAL liquidating. Think Pan Am and Eastern thought early on that they would liquidate or simply right the ship and move on as you do?

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Your Gerry Atkins likes to tempt our management by going to ATL interested in a buyout of someone, and then says no in the end. Don't pi$$ off Mama......

It's Jerry Atkin not "Gerry Atkins."

Unlike some CEO's he's been successfully running an airline for over 30 years. He started by taking over a near bankrupt company with a handful of piston singles and twins. He's not as high profile as Herb Kelleher but his success story is comparable.

I don't think anyone is too worried about "pi$$ing off Mama."
It's just business. They probably met, didn't come to terms, and moved on whatever is next on their to-do list.

If DAL goes BK which I sincerly hope it doesn't I'd be a lot more concerned about your own future GL. Take a look at what happened to UAL pilots for a preview. The best we can hope for is for fuel prices to go down to around $35 since that's what the DAL business plan assumed for planning purposes.

 

[~~~^~~~]

You and your mainline buds had the opportunity to stop this debacle but you stood by and watched, well continue to stand by watch the rest unfold.
PBR

Acutally they did more than stand by and watch. Their MEC leadership took a very active role in promoting this alter ego disaster.

 

[RoyalAviation2]

I forgot what the base number was per gallon of Jet A, but for every penny increase it was a $25 million increase in budget. Maybe it started with $1.20 or something. That was his quote.



Dave,

Sounds kinda cocky. Maybe if we go into Chap 11 we could assign new rates to you guys, or just get rid of you. Mesa would come in and do a great job I am sure. It does sound like Grinstein is trying to avoid Chap 11 at all costs (vowing to cut another $1 billion a year today), and he may just do that with Mesa and other initiatives. Your Gerry Atkins likes to tempt our management by going to ATL interested in a buyout of someone, and then says no in the end. Don't pi$$ off Mama......


Bye Bye--General Lee

Dude- I don't know you, but I lost all respect for you in that one quote.

 

[Mookie]

Genral is the old uncle sitting on his porch telling everyone that his Hemi can outrun anything on the road...which is partly true, but it's on blocks in the back b/c he can't afford to put gas in it...

if he wants mesa...then Big Mamma Delta can have them.
Mookie

 

[yellowfever]

That is true, I have never applied or tried to apply for a job with Skywest. The problem I have with Skywest stemmed from your 50 seat pay agreement for your 70 seaters.


Bye Bye--General Lee

He's right...I'm at SKYW and apparently the majority of us are stupid for voting in favor of this one! And don't forget that same pay rate covers 90 seaters too!

 

[Rogue5]

Although a technical detail, it should be noted that a majority of current SkyWest pilots did NOT vote for the 50/70/90 TA:

At the time of the vote, SKYW had 1418 pilots, 1214 of them voted. The TA passed by 62.8%, or with the approval of 763 votes.

SkyWest today has 2009 pilots on its seniorty list.

Those of you who voted for it know who you are...

 

[79%N1]

General, General, General.........

What on earth makes you think Mesa will come in and "do a great job" for Delta????????? This just shows how little you know about the airline industry outside your little fishbowl! Mesa is a joke. When they came to CLT for Usairways you couldnt hear enough horror stories about late or cancelled flights, poor service, etc... Agents joked about them! Nobody liked dealing with them in Philly or PIT. I'm sure there is probably more of the same in DEN, PHX and anywhere else their cancer has spread! United sued to dump them in the past, only to let them back because they are able to grossly undercut everyone else in the industry. (No, that is not commendable!) What makes you think that post bankrupcy they wont be flying 90, or 100 seaters for Delta ---- or God forbid, 737's????

Get a freakin clue!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Gt,
If DAL hits bk, hold on to your hat, you are gonna need it. I know for sure SKYW mgmt is waiting for Mamma D to hit bk so the scope clause can be tossed out the window. They weren't in ATL trying to buy ASA/Comair they were discussing the strategy to employ when in bk and how many 100+ seaters they could handle. You nervous yet?
It seems that the new hanger being built in COS was planned to handle 737 size A/C. Architect renderings show 737s and EMB's or Airbuses. It seems that SKYW mgmt has figgered out the formula for reducing seat mile costs-increase the number of seats. It seems the company that originally thought there was no market or money to be made in 50 seaters, now they get the picture. You are such a tool, you will walk up to the building after the doors are chained shut and wonder WTF? Cats out of the bag buddy! the RJ/contract feed beast has gotten its nose under the tent flap and there ain't any way to push it out, short of the poison pill defense. I have been warning you guys over and over but you don't listen. Oh yes watch your back, the widebody guys have lots more to loose than you do so watch out, you may be applying to ASA to fly your old 73s after, the widebody guys sell your airframe to mgmt/regionals to save their way of life. Ask the UAL guys where the 73s are going.
PBR

 

[Mookie]

"I know for sure SKYW mgmt is waiting for Mamma D to hit bk so the scope clause can be tossed out the window. They weren't in ATL trying to buy ASA/Comair they were discussing the strategy to employ when in bk and how many 100+ seaters they could handle. You nervous yet?"

Truer words were never typed...well done pbr..you hit the proverbial nail on the head.

 

[General Lee]

It's Jerry Atkin not "Gerry Atkins."

Unlike some CEO's he's been successfully running an airline for over 30 years. He started by taking over a near bankrupt company with a handful of piston singles and twins. He's not as high profile as Herb Kelleher but his success story is comparable.

I don't think anyone is too worried about "pi$$ing off Mama."
It's just business. They probably met, didn't come to terms, and moved on whatever is next on their to-do list.

If DAL goes BK which I sincerly hope it doesn't I'd be a lot more concerned about your own future GL. Take a look at what happened to UAL pilots for a preview. The best we can hope for is for fuel prices to go down to around $35 since that's what the DAL business plan assumed for planning purposes.

Thanks Dave, and if United does strike on Friday, I would be concerned with yours. This business has many ups and downs, and there is no way of predicting what will happen. Jerry sounds like he knows how to run a regional, look what he has done with you guys. He started the "fly 70 seaters for 50 seat wages" mantra. He is the toast of the country club in St George.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Thanks Dave, and if United does strike on Friday, I would be concerned with yours. This business has many ups and downs, and there is no way of predicting what will happen. Jerry sounds like he knows how to run a regional, look what he has done with you guys. He started the "fly 70 seaters for 50 seat wages" mantra. He is the toast of the country club in St George.



Bye Bye--General Lee

Gt,
Don't you guys fly the 75/76 as a common type? Sounds like your guys were the ones to break the trail on that one, oh yeah wasn't that an ALPA sanctioned deal? Jerry and the boys know how to APPEASE the easily led members of our senority list, I didn't believe the Kool-Aid ad for one minute! You are right, he is not only the toast of the country club in St. George, the entire state of Utah is in his cheering section. Predicting what will happen?, why predict, look over the UAL deal to date, change the D in DAL to U and you will have a fairly accurate crystal ball to gaze into.
Jeeze what a tool
PBR
P.S. Rumors of Jerry's possible run for Gov are floating around. He would probably win.

 

[mckpickle]

Like I said on another ASA/SKYW thread, I think XJT is in on the dealings with DAL. I'm sure DAL has approached everyone trying to dump either of these carriers. An XJT/ASA merger would seem to make sense. XJT basically has no growth projected past this fall unless it gets more jets for CAL, picks up another contract with someone other than CAL, or buys another carrier. XJT cannot get more jets for CAL because of their scope and they will never win a RFP bid because of MESA and SKYW. The only real prospect for growth is a merger. The only way XJT can have continued earnings growth is to fly more airplanes. Shareholders want to see earnings growth so unless XJT merges with another carrier, their stock price is going to take a fairly big hit.

Look for an ASA/XJT merger. Companies will continue to operate as seperate operating divisions under XJT holdings and the pilot lists will be combined via the ALPA merger policy. I think the ASA pilots would integrate very good at XJT. That would create an ALPA regional carrier 4000 pilots strong.

Not a chance. We are the #1 or 2 largest regional with only 235 million in cash on hand.........Anything that could jeopardize our cash position could be a big boo-boo. Course if we do i'll eat my shorts!

 

[General Lee]

Gt,
If DAL hits bk, hold on to your hat, you are gonna need it. I know for sure SKYW mgmt is waiting for Mamma D to hit bk so the scope clause can be tossed out the window. They weren't in ATL trying to buy ASA/Comair they were discussing the strategy to employ when in bk and how many 100+ seaters they could handle. You nervous yet?
It seems that the new hanger being built in COS was planned to handle 737 size A/C. Architect renderings show 737s and EMB's or Airbuses. It seems that SKYW mgmt has figgered out the formula for reducing seat mile costs-increase the number of seats. It seems the company that originally thought there was no market or money to be made in 50 seaters, now they get the picture. You are such a tool, you will walk up to the building after the doors are chained shut and wonder WTF? Cats out of the bag buddy! the RJ/contract feed beast has gotten its nose under the tent flap and there ain't any way to push it out, short of the poison pill defense. I have been warning you guys over and over but you don't listen. Oh yes watch your back, the widebody guys have lots more to loose than you do so watch out, you may be applying to ASA to fly your old 73s after, the widebody guys sell your airframe to mgmt/regionals to save their way of life. Ask the UAL guys where the 73s are going.
PBR

Am I nervous? Well, since we have had 1300 Captains leave in the last year, I am closer to Captain, and I will atleast stay a widebody FO. Our Gerry said if we do go Chap 11, the pensions will be gone, which won't affect me much, but it will affect the other 1100 pilots over 50, which may leave. That would put me in a good position in the company. As far as you guys fly 100 seaters, I bet Jerry has already talked with our Gerry about you flying them for 50 seat wages, and how economical it will be. You will obviously fall for anything, and JERRY knows it. All he has to say is "Watch out, we may lose the Delta feed, and if you don't accept this, we MAY LOSE THE FEED!!!!" You guys will dip to all time lows again, looking just as bad as you did the first time. But hey, some of your new Empty Nipple FOs will be CRJ Captains soon......? You obviously don't know our Gerry's history, he likes to MERGE things. He merged Western and Delta, and he merged two railway companies. He will do that again, and he also is trying to stay out of Chap 11, which the analysts concur with and say another year will pass probably until we go through this again. In the meantime, we are getting our initiatives done---the $5 billion a year savings, and to top it off, fuel prices seem to be lowering a bit. I think our Gerry will be manhandling your Jerry soon. And, that COS hanger is for UAL Skywest planes, not DL. Sorry.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Gt,
Don't you guys fly the 75/76 as a common type? Sounds like your guys were the ones to break the trail on that one, oh yeah wasn't that an ALPA sanctioned deal? Jerry and the boys know how to APPEASE the easily led members of our senority list, I didn't believe the Kool-Aid ad for one minute! You are right, he is not only the toast of the country club in St. George, the entire state of Utah is in his cheering section. Predicting what will happen?, why predict, look over the UAL deal to date, change the D in DAL to U and you will have a fairly accurate crystal ball to gaze into.
Jeeze what a tool
PBR
P.S. Rumors of Jerry's possible run for Gov are floating around. He would probably win.

We brought the 757 WAGES UP TO THE 767 Wages. Big difference. Our domestic 757 wages were brought up to INTL 767ER wages. Nothing came down. Can you say the same? I am waiting.


Oh, change the U in UAL to D and see what happens? Creative. Can you do that again for me? How about PBR to RBP? Then take the R and B out and put in P and two O's, and you get POOP.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Question for General Lee

Hey GL,

How is is that Mesa can feed DAL???? I remember you telling us how if any DCI carrier operated anything larger than 70 seats they would lose the feed deal, even if the larger aircraft was being operated for a carrier other than DAL.

Lo and behold Mesa has those 86 seaters. Last I checked 86 is a larger quantity than 70. What gives? Your MEC didn't cave, did it? If so what do you suppose might happen next?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Am I nervous? Well, since we have had 1300 Captains leave in the last year, I am closer to Captain, and I will atleast stay a widebody FO. Our Gerry said if we do go Chap 11, the pensions will be gone, which won't affect me much, but it will affect the other 1100 pilots over 50, which may leave. That would put me in a good position in the company. As far as you guys fly 100 seaters, I bet Jerry has already talked with our Gerry about you flying them for 50 seat wages, and how economical it will be. You will obviously fall for anything, and JERRY knows it. All he has to say is "Watch out, we may lose the Delta feed, and if you don't accept this, we MAY LOSE THE FEED!!!!" You guys will dip to all time lows again, looking just as bad as you did the first time. But hey, some of your new Empty Nipple FOs will be CRJ Captains soon......?


Bye Bye---General Lee

Gt,
I rest my case, wide F/O, I got mine who cares, nice attitude. Still dodging the 75/76 common type issue, it's ok for you but not the SKYW guys. As far as falling for anything, whatever you say. That "t/a" was during a time when the industry was in incredible turmoil, and everyone was nervous. Now that we have a larger percentage of mature pilots and the company has been boning the pilot group willy nilly I hope we "won't get fooled again". The union drive is spooling up again and with that some power to control our destiny. We may lose the feed for not flying the bigger a/c for cheap, but I am sure you will cheer when mesa gets the 100+ seat flying and you have to ride in their brokendown junkseat to go on a vacation trip. You even refuse to debate/discuss any of the issues in the above posts, just toss tripe and other silly opinions onto the old keyboard. Whatever stick your head back into the sand and pretend you will be in a" good position in the company"
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

We brought the 757 WAGES UP TO THE 767 Wages. Big difference. Our domestic 757 wages were brought up to INTL 767ER wages. Nothing came down. Can you say the same? I am waiting.


Oh, change the U in UAL to D and see what happens? Creative. Can you do that again for me? How about PBR to RBP? Then take the R and B out and put in P and two O's, and you get POOP.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Gt,
No I can't say the same, anyone who knows who I am remembers how loudly I campaigned against the "T/A", I wish it had not passed! But it seems like I hit a nerve, sign of a truly small and limited mind, resorting to name calling. Oooohhh you said POOP. If you would remove your mind from whatever alternate reality it currently is in, you will note I was giving you an easy to comprehend example of the industry in which we are currently employed, and what possibilities might befall you. While we argue and quibble between ourselves the CEOs of the industry sip martinis and discuss how to fix the labor problem, via scope elimination, pension evaporation and other diabolical means used by mgmt today. I try to use illustrations that enlighten the readers of these boards to my perspective and observations, you on the other hand use wheel of fortune techniques to spell POOP, I commend you for your depth and wisdom to use the tools of popular America to illustrate your position, POOP.
PBR
anxiously waiting for your next tidbit of wisdom

 

[General Lee]

Gt,
I rest my case, wide F/O, I got mine who cares, nice attitude. Still dodging the 75/76 common type issue, it's ok for you but not the SKYW guys. As far as falling for anything, whatever you say. That "t/a" was during a time when the industry was in incredible turmoil, and everyone was nervous. Now that we have a larger percentage of mature pilots and the company has been boning the pilot group willy nilly I hope we "won't get fooled again". The union drive is spooling up again and with that some power to control our destiny. We may lose the feed for not flying the bigger a/c for cheap, but I am sure you will cheer when mesa gets the 100+ seat flying and you have to ride in their brokendown junkseat to go on a vacation trip. You even refuse to debate/discuss any of the issues in the above posts, just toss tripe and other silly opinions onto the old keyboard. Whatever stick your head back into the sand and pretend you will be in a" good position in the company"
PBR

You have lost this debate because you start to get personal. I never said "I got mine", I just said I will be ok seniority wise. The pay rate on the 757/767 is true, we BROUGHT THE 757 WAGE UP, not the 767 DOWN. You can't deny that, and I can show the wages pre/post C2K if you want. You fly the 70 seater for 50 seat wages, and that set a precedent. Just like the Jetblue 100 seat rates. And 75% of your pilots voted that was ok, right? Man alive.

As far as Mesa getting 100 seaters, I don't know about that, and that won't be the case as long as we are out of Chap 11. Gerry doesn't want to lose control of the company, and he will try to stay out as long as possible. He just stated he will get another $1 billion from somewhere, and guess what? We only have one union, and one contract. He can do it. If we do go Chap 11, the pensions will go, and so will many many pilots---over 1100 are over 50 and can take their hard earned lump sums. That is the way it is.

Stick my head in the sand you say? I have almost 4800 posts. I debate everything, and I defend Delta and post articles backing up my opinions most of the time. Head in the sand? Hardly. The way you debate----POOP.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Mmmmmm Burritos]

PBR, why do you keep calling him "Gt" ? This is fun to watch.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

You have lost this debate because you start to get personal. I never said "I got mine", I just said I will be ok seniority wise. The pay rate on the 757/767 is true, we BROUGHT THE 757 WAGE UP, not the 767 DOWN. You can't deny that, and I can show the wages pre/post C2K if you want. You fly the 70 seater for 50 seat wages, and that set a precedent. Just like the Jetblue 100 seat rates. And 75% of your pilots voted that was ok, right? Man alive.

As far as Mesa getting 100 seaters, I don't know about that, and that won't be the case as long as we are out of Chap 11. Gerry doesn't want to lose control of the company, and he will try to stay out as long as possible. He just stated he will get another $1 billion from somewhere, and guess what? We only have one union, and one contract. He can do it. If we do go Chap 11, the pensions will go, and so will many many pilots---over 1100 are over 50 and can take their hard earned lump sums. That is the way it is.

Stick my head in the sand you say? I have almost 4800 posts. I debate everything, and I defend Delta and post articles backing up my opinions most of the time. Head in the sand? Hardly. The way you debate----POOP.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Gt,
It wasnt 75% of the pilots, the company told us that the survey on the company website, on the company server, monitored by company it guys, that ended the survey 2 hrs prior to the stated end time, was voted in by a majority. See where i'm goin? As for mesa gettin 100 seaters, won't be a large strech, they already operate 90 seaters for UAL, you sure you aren't in chap 11?. Sand? kitty litter?
I am not sure 4800 posts is anything worth bragging about, quantity vs quality? We did not set any precedent any other pilot group that does not want to fly the 70 for 50 price can just say no, in fact I encourage them to say no. SKYW is having troubles staffing the 70 people are refusing to bid it, as I am.
PBR

 

[General Lee]

Gt,
It wasnt 75% of the pilots, the company told us that the survey on the company website, on the company server, monitored by company it guys, that ended the survey 2 hrs prior to the stated end time, was voted in by a majority. See where i'm goin? As for mesa gettin 100 seaters, won't be a large strech, they already operate 90 seaters for UAL, you sure you aren't in chap 11?. Sand? kitty litter?
I am not sure 4800 posts is anything worth bragging about, quantity vs quality? We did not set any precedent any other pilot group that does not want to fly the 70 for 50 price can just say no, in fact I encourage them to say no. SKYW is having troubles staffing the 70 people are refusing to bid it, as I am.
PBR

Are you sure Mesa operates 90 seaters for United? Get your facts straight please, stop getting emotional. I think you mean 90 seaters for AWA, which still stands in the new merger with USAir. As for the USAir Mesa CRJs, they will go and could come to DCI quickly. Where will they go? ATL is saturated and ASA is growing there. CVG is full with Comair, and they are expanding up in the NE. CHQ owns FLA. Where will they go?

As far as my posts go, I think most have been quality. I usually back up my opinions and offer facts. Look at your posts and all of the mistakes, like the UAL 90 seaters. What?

So, you are refusing to fly the 70? Good. But what about new upgrades and reserves? Do they have a choice? Sounds like Jerry won again. Keep upgrading and expanding, keep staffing the CR7. Am I right again? I am on a roll......


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I think our Gerry will be manhandling your Jerry soon. And, that COS hanger is for UAL Skywest planes, not DL. Sorry.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Gt,
As usual your argument is only half true, SKYW does not build muli-million dollar facilities for single codeshare operations all of our MX facilities have both codeshares flowing through them. The current company newspaper clearly states that the hanger would be used for both DAL and UAL a/c. I truly hope that the hanger never sees anything larger than a CRJ 50. I would seem that the only manhandling that will be done by your Gerry, will be to your pilot group. You must be delusional if you think your Gerry loves his pilot group any more than our Jerry loves us. The difference between you and me is I realize that fact and you don't. Do you really think that CEOs of different companies would "manhandle" each other.
You may be employed by Delta, but that does not qualify you as an expert at anything other than current qualified position. Have a nice evening in your own reality.
PBR

 

[CandlerWun]

Is it just me or is General Lee a Pompous dick?

Nope, definitely not just you.

Josh M.

 

[General Lee]

Nope, definitely not just you.

Josh M.

Josh M,


If you don't like what I say, go to another forum. It is as easy as that.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Josh M,


If you don't like what I say, go to another forum. It is easy as that.


Bye Bye--General Lee

With 4,747 of your posts floating around he might not be able to find a forum without one of your posts.

 

[General Lee]

Gt,
As usual your argument is only half true, SKYW does not build muli-million dollar facilities for single codeshare operations all of our MX facilities have both codeshares flowing through them. The current company newspaper clearly states that the hanger would be used for both DAL and UAL a/c. I truly hope that the hanger never sees anything larger than a CRJ 50. I would seem that the only manhandling that will be done by your Gerry, will be to your pilot group. You must be delusional if you think your Gerry loves his pilot group any more than our Jerry loves us. The difference between you and me is I realize that fact and you don't. Do you really think that CEOs of different companies would "manhandle" each other.
You may be employed by Delta, but that does not qualify you as an expert at anything other than current qualified position. Have a nice evening in your own reality.
PBR

I am glad that you backed down. I understand that Jerry wouldn't build a hanger with single use only, and I am sure that some of our DL/SkyWest CRJs are serviced there too. That is great. I don't see a DL COS hub anytime soon, and currently we have 2 738s from ATL there a day, so I don't see much DL expansion. The airport at COS has been desperate to get anyone there to do anything, ever since WestPac left and left a huge new terminal waiting there. What a waste. I am sure Jerry got a great tax break atleast.

Why is Gerry Grinstein at DL? Why? The money? Nope. He got paid only $250,000 last year (he took a 50% pay cut). Compare that with Tilton from UAL, who got a $1.3 million pay check, and a $330,000 bonus. Did Gerry? Nope. Did he get stock options? I don't think so. Did he fire or let go everyone that didn't want to be at DL now? Yes he did. He offered some some options, but they are only good if WE SUCCEED. Big carrot, but worth it to the rest of us. Gerry's wife wants him to go back to SEA, where he and she have Bill Gate's first large home. (no joke) He is a multi-multi-millionare on his own, and he is 72 years old. He doesn't have to be here, but he WANTS TO GET US THROUGH THIS. HE DOESN'T WANT A LIQUIDATION. HE WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE SURE WE GET THROUGH THIS. What does that mean? I don't know. Can he do it? I hope so, and he thinks so too. There will probably be a merger or maybe a pre-packaged Chap 11 to get us out in better shape. It is up to him, and he is up for the challenge. He was at one of our "In Command seminars" last week for new Captains, and he talked all about what was happening and what may or may not happen. (I have the class note, since I am still a ways from Captain) He is trying to keep this ship afloat, and he does care, or he wouldn't be here. Tell your Jerry to wear a helmut next time he rides his motorcycle-----another spill and it will show he doesn't care about anything.

I do know a lot about this industry and DL, because I pay attention. You need to also.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

With 4,747 of your posts floating around he might not be able to find a forum without one of your posts.

If that was supposed to be funny, you failed. That made no sense. Good try Dave. Good night Dave.


Bye Bye--General Lee