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[VeeOne]

I am on the fence about the whole SkyWest ALPA vote. In talking to other pilot groups we have superior work rules than most, make more money than most and SkyWest is overall an enjoyable place to work. Why should our pilot group necessarily take the risk of bringing ALPA on the property. I am not anti union in the least, I just dont see what we have to gain/improve by bringing on ALPA.

While I understand your plight, think about this. Your wages and SOME of your work rules are better than most now, but as others raise the bar, what can you do to force the company to keep up? Also, why NOT bring ALPA on board and support your ASA brothers? As I've said in the post above, we are not out for anyones job or flying, we simply want to keep what we have NOW. Skywest ALPA can help support us in this quest through a unified body that truly represents the pilots, gives them a voice, without the taint of managment propoganda, spin, and agenda. Frankly, I feel it is the right thing to do. We have the oportunity to work as a team here, rather than against each other. Skywest may be a good company, but in the end, its the pilots that have to stand unified and look out for each other. Contrary to what many believe, even if Skywest went ALPA, the work environment won't necessarily change for the worst, which is what JA would have you believe. It is actually possible to have a union that works well with management, if you have good ELECTED reps, and a management willing to take care of their people in a fair, and just manner.

 

[jayme]

Let me guess: you haven't been around long enough to have seen the decline over the past few years, right?

When I started here a senior pilot could bid reserve and be assured he would not fly for the month, or if he wanted to be call-first, he could be assured to break guarantee. The bucket system did away with that.

Then we got PBS shoved down our throat (which works for some, but also has MANY drawbacks).

"Reinterpretation" of cancelled legs policy...

 

[MYFpilot]

I am on the fence about the whole SkyWest ALPA vote. In talking to other pilot groups we have superior work rules than most, make more money than most and SkyWest is overall an enjoyable place to work. Why should our pilot group necessarily take the risk of bringing ALPA on the property. I am not anti union in the least, I just dont see what we have to gain/improve by bringing on ALPA.

As I said before, It's not just about pay. Here's a few thoughts to ponder, I never like what if's, but...

If you were involved in an accident or an incident would you want ALPA or SAPA representing you?

If you had issues with your medical would you want ALPA or SAPA representing you?

If you busted a checkride or PC would you want ALPA or SAPA representing you?

If the current management personnel at SkyWest were to change (actually happening as we speak) would you want ALPA or SAPA representing you?

If a crewmember or passenger injured themselves onboard your aircraft would you want ALPA or SAPA representing you?

If we were to merge seniority lists with ASA would you want ALPA or SAPA representing you?

SAPA elections have a 20% voter turnout. Who would better able to unify the SkyWest pilot group ALPA or SAPA?

Do you like working 5 and 6 days in a row, with only two days off in between, it happens every month with PBS to junior and senior crewmembers alike. Who would be better suited to address scheduling issues, ALPA or SAPA?

I hate paying 150 bucks a month for car and homeowners insurance, but what if?

How much is your ATP or Commercial certificate worth to you? ALPA may not get me a raise? but 2% is cheap career insurance.

Fly Safe!!

 

[strega7]

If you busted a checkride or PC would you want ALPA or SAPA representing you?

Why would either need to be involved? Are you telling me that ALPA will control the training department and how ckeckrides are conducted?

 

[sweptback]

Why would either need to be involved? Are you telling me that ALPA will control the training department and how ckeckrides are conducted?

You can't un-bust a checkride once it's over. But if that busted checkride results in discipline or termination, I'd want somebody to represent me.

 

[PCL_128]

Why would either need to be involved? Are you telling me that ALPA will control the training department and how ckeckrides are conducted?

Many MECs have a Pilot Training Review Board and a Training Committee that works with the company on establishing standards for how training and checkrides are conducted. Checkairmen that are consistently causing problems are dealt with, a "training footprint" is established that lays ground rules for what sort of training you'll have to do for busting different events, etc...

Also, most agreements give you the right to refuse a certain checkairman, and also give the right to have a union representative observe your ride.

 

[Nightrain_080]

Let me guess: you haven't been around long enough to have seen the decline over the past few years, right?

When I started here a senior pilot could bid reserve and be assured he would not fly for the month, or if he wanted to be call-first, he could be assured to break guarantee. The bucket system did away with that.

Then we got PBS shoved down our throat (which works for some, but also has MANY drawbacks).

"Reinterpretation" of cancelled legs policy...

Yeah and its great to be f#cking harassed on your two days off because they still can't staff the Mo Fo correctly. Anyone else at SkyWest have this problem? I have bid reserve once or twice to assure I would have some days off and those months are the worst. Bucket system is another filthy concession along with P.ure B.ull S. hit worthless junk software created off the street untested and we weren't given a chance to say yeah or nay. ALPA can do better than sapa.
The slide needs to stop.

 

[No.W.]

As I said before, It's not just about pay.

Amen.

I've got plenty of money coming in as a 4.5 year CRJ capt at SkyWest.

I've got toys and money to enjoy life.

I'm happy with my pay.

I'm pissed that I hardly ever see my wife. I'm pissed that I always feel Crew Support ISN'T and I have no leg to stand on when challenging them...EVEN as a line-holder. I'm tired, and frustrated by the lack of integrity in both our management and our current "representation"(note the quotes). I'll be voting FOR ALPA. You should to, Mr. SkyWest pilot.

It's NOT just about money, folks. When people start seeing that...a union will have a chance at SkyWest.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Amen.

I've got plenty of money coming in as a 4.5 year CRJ capt at SkyWest.

I've got toys and money to enjoy life.

I'm happy with my pay.

I'm pissed that I hardly ever see my wife. I'm pissed that I always feel Crew Support ISN'T and I have no leg to stand on when challenging them...EVEN as a line-holder. I'm tired, and frustrated by the lack of integrity in both our management and our current "representation"(note the quotes). I'll be voting FOR ALPA. You should to, Mr. SkyWest pilot.

It's NOT just about money, folks. When people start seeing that...a union will have a chance at SkyWest.

The "money" needs to keep up with the cost of living! It's getting tougher and tougher to support a family in the more expensive domiciles, especially since we haven't had a COLA since our hire date prior to 9/11...

 

[urflyingme?!]

No raise, we're getting cheaper by the minute folks.....

SKYWEST ALPA NOW

 

[Tarzan]

One interesting tidbit I picked up the other.

Oren-stench is not allowing pilots on the CNC to negotiate their contract. There are meetings but the pilots are out flying, unable to get to the meeting. So to combat this, ASA is sending a team out to do their meetings for them. We'll see how long that turd keeps playing this game before he decides he would rather deal with people on his payroll.