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GravityHater

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FN says if I get bored I should go skydiving. Coincidentally Ihad planned to, this summer for my birthday. I'm no where nearbored but it's been my latest interest...

What should I do to check out a potential skydive school to ensure they aren't going to kill me?
What should I ask? What equipment should they have?
What certifications/licenses should they have?

Can you recommend any in Texas or New Mexico, I will be there for mybirthday. A search shows schools in San Antonio, Austin, Dallas,and San Marcos.
 
GravityHater said:
What should I ask? What equipment should they have?

First look to see if the shutes are new. Then ask WHY??


Have fun man. Can't wait to finish flying em, so I can jump out of em:)
 
Well, no where is going to kill you....well maybe some places. I know of a few unsafe dropzones, but I don't jump there. Where are you located? Skydiving is actually a very safe sport. Do you want to do an AFF course or are you just going to do a tandem??

If your intrested in an AFF course I recomend a tandem first. That way you can enjoy your first jump and see you if you really enjoy it and want to pursue it.

The only unsafe part of skydiving is the landing portion because in reality there isn't really anything to run into until that point unless your out doing RW with inexperienced jumpers, that can be on the dangerous side.

Things to look for when you are there is how does the equipment look. Lots of tandem rigs look really old because they are used quite frequently. Don't let that frighten you. What you want to make sure of is that the DZ is a USPA member. There isn't much to worry about because no DZ really wants to injur you. It makes them look bad. I don't know any of the DZ's in Texas and New Mexico but I'm sure if you just search those states on www.dropzone.com that you could find one realativly easy. When you call, ask what kind of equipment they use for students. Most places are well equiped with decent student gear that would be the right equipment for a beginner. The containers wont fit perfect but they will work.

MK
 
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If at first you don't succeed, Skydiving is not for you !!





Former DZ pilot - 3000 hrs DHC6, SC7, BE10, PC6
 
Actually, a number of DZ's out there are dangerous. I worked next to one last summer. And I peeled two people off the ground that they didn't even know about. Lost them off the load. They killed someone while I was out on a flight; saw a big crowd when I landed, someone had just bounced. Lots of injuries there, very poor maintenance, dangerous.

Make it a USPA member drop zone. Look for either tandem or AFFF. Ask about the training and experience. Newer jumpmasters and skydivers need a lot more experience to get certified than jumpers did early last year. The USPA requirements and the regulation was altered, to raise the bar. The top regular license, for example, a D license, went from 200 jumps to 500 jumps, and so on.

Someone certified on the newer requirements has met a tougher standard. That doesn't necessarily make them safe, but it's a start.

Visit the DZ, look at the equipment, the aircraft. Look for cleanliness, order. Outlaw DZ;s are often a mess. It's no certain guide, but a sharp DZ is a much better bet than a disaster zone.

Above all, make sure that you get a gaurantee. If your parachute doesn't open the first time, make them agree to give you your second jump free...

Blue skies, black death.
 
I recommend Skydive Dallas if you are going to be in that area or Skydive Aggieland. There's a few DZs in Texas I would stay away from.

If you want to see if any DZ has had any jump plane accidents you can check my website out for the list by year. Check out any DZ for a few years back.

www.DiverDriver.com. Click on "Accidents".
 
DiverDriver said:
I recommend Skydive Dallas if you are going to be in that area or Skydive Aggieland. There's a few DZs in Texas I would stay away from.

If you want to see if any DZ has had any jump plane accidents you can check my website out for the list by year. Check out any DZ for a few years back.

www.DiverDriver.com. Click on "Accidents".

Not exactly the best indicator of a "safe" DZ, IMO. If I remember correctly, Aggieland has had two accidents in the past 5-6 years. One was fatal(4 people I believe) and the other one luckily caused no serious injuries. I don't consider Aggieland an unsafe DZ because of this.

I have to agree about Aggieland and Skydive Dallas, though....two kick as$ DZ's with great people and a great atmosphere.

Tell us what area, specifically, you are considering doing your training....and we can recommend DZ's to go to, or to avoid.
 
FracCapt said:
Not exactly the best indicator of a "safe" DZ, IMO. If I remember correctly, Aggieland has had two accidents in the past 5-6 years. One was fatal(4 people I believe) and the other one luckily caused no serious injuries. I don't consider Aggieland an unsafe DZ because of this.

I have to agree about Aggieland and Skydive Dallas, though....two kick as$ DZ's with great people and a great atmosphere.

Tell us what area, specifically, you are considering doing your training....and we can recommend DZ's to go to, or to avoid.


The fatal accident was when the DZ was run by someone else. The current DZO is someone I respect and while they did have an accident they all walked away from it because they hired a good pilot and then trained him well. That made the difference in my opinion. Look how many accidents have the pilot stall spin after an engine failure. I'd say this pilot did alright in my book. He flew the plane all the way to the ground. That is why I did recommend this DZ.
 
There are a lot of good things about the sport of skydiving. Learning new skills, meeting people, experiencing a new environment that is filled with challenge. Eventually you will even learn how to pack your own chute...not to many people can brag about that one.
 
FN FAL said:
There are a lot of good things about the sport of skydiving. Learning new skills, meeting people, experiencing a new environment that is filled with challenge. Eventually you will even learn how to pack your own chute...not to many people can brag about that one.

That's not exactly the greatest pickup line, though....you get some really weird looks from the chicks at the bar when you start talking about "packing your own chute", "going low", "going head down", "a 4 way", etc... :D God forbid some poor schmuck try to pick up the chicks by telling them he's "a packer".. ;)

I packed my own my first several hundred jumps....then I paid others to do it for quite a while(especially when I was doing back to back loads with 2-3 rigs)...then, after having too many cutaways, I went back to packing my own. My canopies(Xaos, Sabre2) now are not as susceptible to packing errors as my old canopies(Spinnetos, Crossfire) were....so I occasionally use a packer when I'm doing lots of jumping, or just feeling lazy. At least my current canopies will fly straight if there are a bunch of line twists....well, usually...
 
The trick about the accidents is to inquire about the skill level of those who bounced. I flew skydivers and watched a student bouce (and live). But it was the general concensus that most accidents were by experienced jumpers doing one of the "hey watch this" maneuvers and having it go wrong...
 
PropsForward said:
most accidents were by experienced jumpers doingone of the "hey watch this" maneuvers and having it go wrong...

Well I should feel right at home, seeing the aviation crowd is somewhat like that after reviewing the ntsb reports.
 
You'll enjoy the Vicatin.
 
PropsForward said:
The trick about the accidents is to inquire about the skill level of those who bounced. I flew skydivers and watched a student bouce (and live).
Live??? Tell us more...
 
I have a very nice skydiving rig for sale if you decide you are real serious about it...

Javelin OJ C-19
Heatwave 135
MicroRaven 150
Cypres

Priced to sell...
 
Are you kidding me? Giving this kid thoughts on buying your rig. Chances are he'd break his legs on the first jump. Second of all I highly doubt that his aff coaches would let him fly it. Get at least a 190 or a 210 for starters if you even consider jumping after your first time.



FlyFlyFly said:
I have a very nice skydiving rig for sale if you decide you are real serious about it...

Javelin OJ C-19
Heatwave 135
MicroRaven 150
Cypres

Priced to sell...
 
I started jumping a 280! After about 20 jumps I was down to a 235. Stayed there for a long time. Just downsized to a 210, I demoed a PD190 zero p first and it scared the sh*(T out of me at first. I finally feel more comfortable now( 25 jumps on the 210). Don’t be in any hurry to go smaller, as that is truly one of the major causes of accidents.
 
fastandlow said:
Live??? Tell us more...


It was the students first jump from 10.5 alone. When his main opened, his foot caught some of the lines and caused a spin. He then pulled his reserve and found himself tangled up with both chutes falling about 40-50mph butt first. Hit the runway. Knocked out most of his teeth and broke some bones.

Nothing sucks worse than watching someone fall from about 5000ft in what seems to take forever and knowing the outcome was not going to be too good. He was lucky. Missed a runway light by about 15 feet.

He gave up skydiving for some reason....
 
PropsForward said:
But it was the general concensus that most accidents were by experienced jumpers doing one of the "hey watch this" maneuvers and having it go wrong...

The majority of accidents that fall into a specific "type" is accidents under fully functional canopies. Hook turns. Bad juju if you don't know what you're doing. I do hooks....but I do front riser hooks(not often, mostly front riser carves), not toggle hooks. Big difference in the way the canopy reacts when you need to "dig out" of the corner. Been there, done that....had a broken leg to prove it.
 
"He gave up skydiving for some reason...."

lol
 
FlyFlyFly said:
I have a very nice skydiving rig for sale if you decide you are real serious about it...

Javelin OJ C-19
Heatwave 135
MicroRaven 150
Cypres

Priced to sell...

WTF are you smoking? That's NOT a beginners rig!! Any DZ that legs a beginner jump that should be shut down! I don't care if the guys exit weight is 135, giving him a 1:1.....a Heatwave is a full elliptical, and NOT SUITABLE for beginners(yea, call me old school if you want). The fact that the harness is a C-19 tells me that it's built for somebody with an exit weight WELL OVER 135lbs. I'd guess, if it's built for you, you're about 5'10-6'0 and 170-200lbs. Nowhere near suitable for a newbie based on those canopies. I would HOPE that you wouldn't sell it to somebody without first verifying their experience.
 
PA-44Typed said:
Don’t be in any hurry to go smaller, as that is truly one of the major causes of accidents.

And don't forget that. I nearly got myself into trouble a few times early on because I downsized too rapidly. I finally quit downsizing and let my skill level "grow into" my canopy choices....then resumed downsizing. I had quite a few botched hook turns....with crosswind(and sometimes downwind) landings as a bailout. It still amazes me that I didn't kill myself on one particular jump that will remain fresh in my memory until the day I die.

Whenever I'm asked by students and/or fairly inexperienced jumpers what a good canopy choice would be, my first thought is "ask your instructor". If they're a somewhat experienced jumper, I have to see their skill level before I can recommend anything...but, even then, I'm pretty **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** conservative. I was never conservative when I was inexperienced, but I try to use my mistakes to make others learn. Luckily, I survived all of my mistakes....I can't say the same for several good friends of mine.

Don't downsize too rapidly....it's the biggest problem in skydiving...and it's a killer.
 
OK guys, what is better about a smaller canopy? More maneuverable I'm guessing, but is that the only reason to downsize? Is it a better ride with a higher loading on the canopy?


I've had 3 tandem jumps, and have wanted to take up the sport for quite some time but never could afford it. Now I can, so my interest has come up again.

I was at Quincy 2000 - as a whuffo of course - and even so, it was nearly the best week of my life. What a great group of people.

Can anyone recommend a DZ in the DEN area?
 
Big Duke Six said:
OK guys, what is better about a smaller canopy? More maneuverable I'm guessing, but is that the only reason to downsize? Is it a better ride with a higher loading on the canopy?

It can be a better ride(slightly) through turbulence, but that's definitely not the reason to downsize. Once you become proficient on a given canopy, before too long, you'll probably get bored with it. That's why most people downsize....to get a canopy that is "more fun".

When I started jumping, the canopy ride was an annoyance. It was just something I had to do in order to be able to do the freefall portion again(obviously). I hated it. It was easy, IMO, to fly the canopy and put it where I wanted it....but I didn't enjoy it. I started downsizing because I wanted a smaller, less cumbersome rig. When I downsized, I found that the canopy ride started to be more fun with a snappier, faster canopy. Early on, I ended up downsizing far too rapidly for my jump numbers. Luckily, I survived my many mistakes. Finally I got smart and quit getting smaller canopies, took some canopy coaching courses, and let my experience increase to the level necessary to downsize again.

A normal wing loading for a jumper just off of student status is 1:1. That means that if you weigh 185lbs, and all your gear weighs 25lbs...you should be jumping a 210 at the smallest. For students, it's usually much lower...and the instructors will slowly work you toward smaller canopies as your skill level increases. A typical starting canopy for a guy of typical weight is a 280 or 290. When I started jumping, I was put on a 280, and by the end of my student progression(about 20 jumps for the static line method that was used back then), I was jumping a 190 with slightly over a 1:1 wing loading.

There are also various styles of canopy that affect their flight characteristics. There are "square" canopies - which are ram air canopies with basically sqaured off corners. The chord remains the same over the entire canopy. These are generally the most docile flying canopies. Then there's the "semi-tapered" or "semi-elliptical" as they're sometimes called. Those have, just as it sounds, tapered corners, usually only on the trailing edge of the canopy. Basically, on these canopies, the chord gets slightly smaller as you move away from the center of the canopy. Then there's the full elliptical. These have tapered edges front and back. The chord gets significantly smaller as you move away from the center cell. These canopies look almost oval shaped when you see them from above/below. Then there are the cross braced elliptical canopies. Cross braced canopies came about because jumpers were flying ellipticals with ever increasing wing loadings, when they weren't designed to fly over about 1.3 to 1.5 in most instances. At higher wing loadings, the canopy becomes distorted....so the cross braced canopy was born. These are just extremely high performance ellipticals with extra fabric in them going crosswise to keep the wing from getting distorted at higher wing loadings. These are designed for, generally, 1.8 to 2.5+ wing loadings. The more elliptical a canopy is, the quicker it will be in turns, and the more responsive it will be to control inputs. This, combined with higher wing loading, makes a canopy turn faster, fly faster, and descend faster.

I was at Quincy 2000 - as a whuffo of course - and even so, it was nearly the best week of my life. What a great group of people.

I've been to a few of the conventions, including 2000. I have not yet been to one since they moved it to Rantoul, which was in 2002 I think. It's an awesome time....I hope I get to go to Rantoul this year.

Can anyone recommend a DZ in the DEN area?

Mile Hi Skydiving. Awesome people, nice place, huge landing area. It's located at Longmont airport. Check out their website.

http://www.milehiskydiving.com/
 
Thanks for the info! I did my first two tandems at Skydive Colorado up in Ft. Collins, then my third jump was at Quincy in 2000. I have not heard how Mile Hi is doing since Jeff Sands passed away, but it sounds like they are still going strong. I'll probably go talk to them when I get the chance.


I'm guessing I should wait till it warms up a little first.....
 

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