Situation at Citation Air?

[RCR5]

Her does harbor a lot of anger. Can't be healthy for the guy.

It is easy to get angry when a GREAT company gets run out of business by a bunch of greedy pilots and the mafia in the form of a "Union".

If you had a spine, you would be able to get angry too and stand up for something that actually makes sense. Unions are quickly becoming a thing of the past here in America.....THANK GOD! These crooks have been fleecing Americans for way to long. Time to turn the tables. Watch and learn.

 

[BentOver]

Using some free drink coupons tonight ehh......

 

[OPECJet]

Wonder if the bartender is union....

 

[clueless]

I am pretty certain I know who you are D bag, and what your reason is for slagging CA. They kicked your dumb ass up and down for being a D Bag pilot and you hated JD for it. Go "F" yourself!

You simpleton. 5 years at SW? Liar.

I am 100% certain you have no idea who I am.

And it's actually 6 years. And I'm gonna gross $14,500 in April. Not counting the 9.3% that my company contributes to my 401(k) and the multiple thousands contributed annually to my profit sharing account. You're right. I hate my union.

One thing I liked about CS was they were generally pretty good at hiring solid people as pilots. Apparently the interview process failed to weed you out.

 

[tdwnds1]

Never seen such visceral reactions to the downsizing of a business! You can argue the pros and cons of unions till you are blue in the face, but here are the facts:

- CA had NEVER to my knowledge made a profit. Even in the boom years, CS was still losing money. Revenue was going up, but you can only run a company for so long at a loss before bad things start to happen.

- I distinctly remember SO saying that "If we dont do our jobs, we get the Union we deserve". Well CA got a union and much of the senior management got forced out or has left. You can come to your own conclusions.

- You can argue that Buffetts money kept NetJets going during the tough years, but couldnt Textron have put the same money in during those same years. Textron has/had almost the same money as "Uncle Warren".

- Lastly, just like accidents, one thing DOES NOT automatically lead to declline of a company. You have several factors as play here: Bad economy, broken fractional model, questionable business decisions by management in the process, unmanageable cost structure etc. etc. To say that the UNION alone, with no contract, no legacy costs from the union, and negotiations JUST starting is simply wrong. The "Chain" here is very long.

 

[208starcheck]

You mean why they are down to that many from their 5300 in their hey day? Sure, the fricken unions suck!

5300....... You GUESSED a little high. You missed the mark by not just 10's or 100's but 1000's.

 

[G4dude]

Never seen such visceral reactions to the downsizing of a business! You can argue the pros and cons of unions till you are blue in the face, but here are the facts:

- CA had NEVER to my knowledge made a profit. Even in the boom years, CS was still losing money. Revenue was going up, but you can only run a company for so long at a loss before bad things start to happen.

- I distinctly remember SO saying that "If we dont do our jobs, we get the Union we deserve". Well CA got a union and much of the senior management got forced out or has left. You can come to your own conclusions.

- You can argue that Buffetts money kept NetJets going during the tough years, but couldnt Textron have put the same money in during those same years. Textron has/had almost the same money as "Uncle Warren".

- Lastly, just like accidents, one thing DOES NOT automatically lead to declline of a company. You have several factors as play here: Bad economy, broken fractional model, questionable business decisions by management in the process, unmanageable cost structure etc. etc. To say that the UNION alone, with no contract, no legacy costs from the union, and negotiations JUST starting is simply wrong. The "Chain" here is very long.

I'm not sure what others are suggesting, but I feel the new union appearance on CA property was the final straw, not the only one.

 

[AftCG182]

I'm not sure what others are suggesting, but I feel the new union appearance on CA property was the final straw, not the only one.

I've already expressed my support for the CA guys/gals that are enduring this mess. Referencng this post, specifically, we (Avantair Pilots) are paying close attention to what's going on over there. Although the Teamster drive seems to have floundered on our (Avantair's) property, you can be assured that many of us are watching and learning from your relatively brief union experience.

Best of luck to all. You have my greatest support in your future.

Dave

 

[RCR5]

I am 100% certain you have no idea who I am.

And it's actually 6 years. And I'm gonna gross $14,500 in April. Not counting the 9.3% that my company contributes to my 401(k) and the multiple thousands contributed annually to my profit sharing account. You're right. I hate my union.

One thing I liked about CS was they were generally pretty good at hiring solid people as pilots. Apparently the interview process failed to weed you out.

Oh yes, I know who you are.

Wow, $14,500 with a union.....lol. Sure you earned every penny too (or think you did).

As I have said in numerous thread, SW is the ONLY one who seems to have gotten along with the union on property. Now hero, how about American, United, Continental, Delta, the auto industry, the teachers union, blah, blah, blah........get it?

The interview process failed twice then. Though they got you in the end. Keep sucking.

 

[BentOver]

We may have found someone who makes G4 seem sane