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A question for the SWA guys,

I have an opportunity to become a sim instructor at my present employer. I already have over 2000 jet pic, but this job would keep me out of the cockpit for a year or so. My eventual goal is to work at SWA, and I know they like people who do the "extracurricular" stuff. Im just not sure if getting out of the airplane for that long is a good trade off. Any thoughts?
 
Sin instructor would not top my list of "extracurricular" activities. Check airman and cheif pilot yes, sim instrutor - no. It might not slow you down, and the sxtra time at home might be worth it, but I don't think it will get you here faster.
I could be wrong. Your milage will very, etc
 
Here are some questions that might be asked, why are you getting out of flying, why take the sim job, will this hurt your PIC time, will this hurt your currency?
 
I don't think being a sim instructor is bad at all. I routinely fly Microsoft Flight Sim doing real time long haul missions. Last weekend I flew the 747 from Gatwick to SFO. I went to bed at 10 PM, woke up at 7 AM and landed the airplane succesfully an hour later (The computer flew while I was asleep). The program I use actually simulates weather and winds. You have to think about fuel and other things. If you don't you may not make your original destination. You'll have people to talk to if that happens. Anyway, take the job its as good as real flying.
 
For what it's worth, my $.02:

Since you already have 2,000 jet it won't hurt you to become a sim instructor, your flight time looks good. In fact, it may help to differentiate you from the rest of the herd by acquiring some training experience. The problem I have seen with most sim instructors is they never return to flying the line on a full-time basis. From an academic perspective, sim instructors are ususally going to be way ahead of the curve in relation to line guys and gals when it comes to aviation "knowledge" simply becuase they are teaching the profiles and procedures on a daily basis. But over time their flying skills can deteroriate... rapidly. IMO, after a year of sim training you really start to loose out of other attributes of flying the line like actual experience, which gives you the database with which to reference for judgement. In effect, you get really rusty after not having touched the yoke for a year.

I was a checkairman/ instructor for many years. I worked hard to continue to fly the line on my days off and eventually moved on to a major. I do not believe I got hired at a major because of my checkairman status. Rather, I believe my checkairman status was a complement to my overall resume. At the end of the day I was measured based on my flying expereince, which included international. While I taught, I regularly did "instructor demos" which benefitted my students and kept my skills in check. Then I would fly on my days off to keep up with what the line guys were doing. It all added up to a lot of work.

Many of by checkairman compadres rested on the laurels of their position/ status. They liked their time off (who can blame them for that), they liked being home every night and just never really got up off their proverbial arse to get out and fly the line. Time flys quickly and after 5-6 years of teaching in the box and only flying "occasionally". Eventually, they were no longer competitive. Whilst their line buddies had amassed 5-6,000 hours more flight time, they had mayber 150 to 200 more hours. Lack of recency of experience shows SWA and any other airline that perhaps you don't like line flying afterall. I'm not saying they won't hire you, but after a year in the sim you will need to keep flying the line 20-40 hours per month or risk stagnation in your experience qualification.

I have two chekcairman buddies who were hired at SWA. The first guy quit the training dept after a year, went back to the line and got hired by SWA rather quickly. The second guy kept applying, and applying, and applying. Only when he started to fly on his days off, and ramp up his recency, did finally SWA call him. And when they did call he got chastized pretty hard for not flying the line much over the previous 5 years. In fact, he was surprised he got hired after such an ass-chewing by one of the captains on the interview board. In short, they made it very clear to him that he barely made it in... barely becuase he hadn't flown much int he prev 5 years. His total time? 10,000 hours including 2,000 in the 737. But only 400 hours over 5-6 years previously.

So I'd say take the job but fly on your days off if you can and definately get back to the line after a year... too many guys stay in 'cause the trng dept because they get use to the $$$ and being home every night.
 
I got hired on my first interview and was never a sim instructor. I got very very lucky!!! Still waiting on a class date though. It can be done, but as to what I did right to get it this way, I have absolutely no clue. Good luck!
 
I just don't see the benefit in it. You're flying the line right now. Personally, I'd keep gaining that PIC time. You are trying to get a job flying airplanes, not simulators.

Gup
 
I am not sure this applies to SWA, but I am pretty sure it applies to FedEx. So take it for what it's worth (your time reading this post).

I have been told that FedEx actually likes pilots who have done things other than only flying the line. If you were a line check airman, sim check airman, or gave IOE, this shows that you have good leadership skills. It also shows that you will do more than just fly the line at your future company. FedEx likes this. They want you to take an active part in helping your fellow pilots perform their jobs safer and better.

If you can get the sim instructor job, I would say go for it. It would be even better if you could work out a way to keep flying the line some too. Good luck.
 
Lots of good thoughts in this thread. I guess a lot can hinge on who is on your interview panel that day and if they have respect for those who teach. The one year plan sounds reasonable to me with some line flying to keep in the real game. A good sim instructor is an asset to any airline or training organization. Don't be like those guys that teach sim and rarely fly though. That does imply you're not in to it.
 
On the other hand, SWA is often looking for good sim instructors due to their steady expansion. Many guys go to SWA as sim instructors and I hear SWA promises them a line position after two years of instructing. May be a way in the door for you.
 
I disagree, Just interviewed at SWA and the logbook guy said it was very important to be flying and current in the preceding 36 months. Stay in the cockpit building PIC.
 
SWA wants you to be current in an airplane, not a sim. If you are not current in the actual bird it will hurt your chances.
 
Some good intel from others...some additional thoughts from an FO at SWA...

1. If it is sim only...don't do it.
2. If it is a little flying (1 trip a month) & rest sim, don't do it.
3. If it is 50-50, then consider doing it

The more flying the better is a good rule of thumb but if going to sim will keep them from looking at you as a training CAPT or check airman then don't do the sim...put your energies in those areas to improve your chances at getting hired & getting the call in the first place...at least in my humble opinion....thanks for your interest in Southwest.
 
Uppercrust said:
I don't think being a sim instructor is bad at all. I routinely fly Microsoft Flight Sim doing real time long haul missions. Last weekend I flew the 747 from Gatwick to SFO. I went to bed at 10 PM, woke up at 7 AM and landed the airplane succesfully an hour later (The computer flew while I was asleep). The program I use actually simulates weather and winds. You have to think about fuel and other things. If you don't you may not make your original destination. You'll have people to talk to if that happens. Anyway, take the job its as good as real flying.

You are one strange mudder fugger.
 
Mach 80 said:
On the other hand, SWA is often looking for good sim instructors due to their steady expansion. Many guys go to SWA as sim instructors and I hear SWA promises them a line position after two years of instructing. May be a way in the door for you.

Sim instructors here are guaranteed an INTERVIEW after two years. I think you odds are better if you continue flying turbine PIC.
 
It may be an interview after two yrs, (it was 3 when I went through) but it is a 3 yr contract to become a sim instructor with no guarantee of being hired for the line.
 
Stay in a flying capacity. They prefer you to be current and look at your recency of flying over a specified period of time. The check airman stuff is good. As far as becoming a sim instructor over here, yes it is a two year commitment before you become ELIGIBLE to apply for a line position. It is not a guaranteed deal. It has taken some instructors 5 years or better.
 

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